PRIA Question
01-29-2014, 05:49 PM
#31
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It would be useful to hear if anyone on this forum is able to state that they left during training without completing the proficiency check. Did they follow the rules and report this to the FAA? Did they get a job someplace else?
It seems to me that there are many people who leave the regionals during training for various reasons. The most common is that they were too far behind and left because they felt they weren't ready yet. The decided to get some more training, and try again later.
It seems to me that there are many people who leave the regionals during training for various reasons. The most common is that they were too far behind and left because they felt they weren't ready yet. The decided to get some more training, and try again later.
02-09-2014, 11:40 AM
#32
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You should be able to request a copy of the PRIA from the airline that provided it. In this case Martin Air. As someone who helped interview applicants back in my Gemini Air Cargo days, I highly recommend full disclosure. ackattacker is entirely correct, and practically speaking, should you land a job and it is later determined that you lied or misled on your application you can be fired for cause.
02-09-2014, 06:47 PM
#33
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02-10-2014, 07:33 PM
#34
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Honesty is the only policy.
I have a failed CFI checkride and a failed Dash-8 upgrade checkride in my history. Also a taxiway excursion in a blizzard (I was found not at fault) by the FAA. It's all listed on my Airlineapps file.
I suspect it's holding me back from getting a call but like the other guys said, they're gonna find out about it anyway. When they do, if you didn't disclose it, kiss your butt goodbye. Disclose it.
K
I have a failed CFI checkride and a failed Dash-8 upgrade checkride in my history. Also a taxiway excursion in a blizzard (I was found not at fault) by the FAA. It's all listed on my Airlineapps file.
I suspect it's holding me back from getting a call but like the other guys said, they're gonna find out about it anyway. When they do, if you didn't disclose it, kiss your butt goodbye. Disclose it.
K
02-11-2014, 12:57 AM
#35
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Employment History: Unless limited by state law, they can go back as far as they want and contact previous employers. Past employers can tell them anything they like, even if it's something that would NOT be reported in PRIA. A phone discussion between two managers is not PRIA, and is not limited by PRIA. This assumes the previous employer is willing to say anything at all, at risk of liability. Large companies will usually only verify dates of employment, but small operators may be willing to spill their guts, good or bad. I personally (having been in that position) would give a glowing recommendation for a good employee, but in the case of a bad apple would simply say that I'm not able to give a recomendation and would not provide details. I could get in trouble for trash-talking someone (even though it would be the truth) but there's no law or tort precedent that could get me in trouble for saying nothing. The guy on the other end could read between the lines.
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02-13-2014, 09:17 PM
#36
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Honesty is the only policy.
I have a failed CFI checkride and a failed Dash-8 upgrade checkride in my history. Also a taxiway excursion in a blizzard (I was found not at fault) by the FAA. It's all listed on my Airlineapps file.
I suspect it's holding me back from getting a call but like the other guys said, they're gonna find out about it anyway. When they do, if you didn't disclose it, kiss your butt goodbye. Disclose it.
K
I have a failed CFI checkride and a failed Dash-8 upgrade checkride in my history. Also a taxiway excursion in a blizzard (I was found not at fault) by the FAA. It's all listed on my Airlineapps file.
I suspect it's holding me back from getting a call but like the other guys said, they're gonna find out about it anyway. When they do, if you didn't disclose it, kiss your butt goodbye. Disclose it.
K
Let us know if you get a call or not. By the way- what if a pilot failed his FO PC or left without finishing over 5 years ago. I would say still report it. Yes?
02-13-2014, 09:25 PM
#37
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Likely
How would you feel about saying, "No, you cannot contact my previous employer" when they ask? Isn't PRIA enough? Would that raise huge red flags, or would they just work with what they had? Let's say everything is perfect, glowing written recommendations from company reps, but there is a wildcard or two running around who if they got on the phone it could spell disaster due to personal friction.
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I know there are many pilots, if not all, that have at least 1 bad mark in their records. It is a dificult decision to make. I think that the best thing to do would be to report only what is required by PRIA, and do so only when asked to do so. I mean report PRIA events, but others not, unless asked.
A pilot who left training 10 years ago because of a serious family issue, may not even be asked. It was too long ago. Why report it if you aren't asked. What does it matter anyway?
The issue would be rather, if you are asked. Anyways, I am making an educated guess that this has happened in the past to more than a couple of pilots. Anybody have an experience to share?
02-14-2014, 07:48 AM
#38
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How would you feel about saying, "No, you cannot contact my previous employer" when they ask? Isn't PRIA enough? Would that raise huge red flags, or would they just work with what they had? Let's say everything is perfect, glowing written recommendations from company reps, but there is a wildcard or two running around who if they got on the phone it could spell disaster due to personal friction.
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I would think telling any potential employer not to contact a previous employer would be raise big flags. Might be better to explain the situation at the interview and ask that they speak only with a specific supervisor when they make the reference call...hopefully your immediate boss is not one of the friction points. You could also try providing them with a personal cell phone number as opposed to the company switchboard number.
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