Incidents, Accidents, Violations
10-04-2012, 09:14 AM
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Where in the list of "incidents, accidents, violations" do you see "letter of warning"?
Don't throw yourself under the bus if you don't have to. Incidents, accidents, and violations are clearly defined events. You either have one or you don't. Unless your Letter of Warning was the result of an incident or accident, you don't need to bring it up.
Don't throw yourself under the bus if you don't have to. Incidents, accidents, and violations are clearly defined events. You either have one or you don't. Unless your Letter of Warning was the result of an incident or accident, you don't need to bring it up.
10-04-2012, 10:23 AM
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Where in the list of "incidents, accidents, violations" do you see "letter of warning"?
Don't throw yourself under the bus if you don't have to. Incidents, accidents, and violations are clearly defined events. You either have one or you don't. Unless your Letter of Warning was the result of an incident or accident, you don't need to bring it up.
Don't throw yourself under the bus if you don't have to. Incidents, accidents, and violations are clearly defined events. You either have one or you don't. Unless your Letter of Warning was the result of an incident or accident, you don't need to bring it up.
I agree.
But many situations where you get a warning or violation likely qualify as an incident.
For example if you got ramped and didn't have your medical, or had too many students fail checkrides that's not an incident. But an altitude bust is probably an incident based on the definition since there was a potential safety issue.
Read exactly what they are asking for on the app, and if in doubt lean towards honesty.
10-04-2012, 12:27 PM
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Read Chapter 5.3(b) in the "Enforcement Decision Process" (http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...201%20only.pdf):
In short, a Letter of Warning is, indeed, a violation. The only difference is that the FAA has decided that the violation wasn't severe enough to warrant legal action such as a suspension or revocation of your license. All violations (including those that ended up as Letters of Warning/Correction) go on your record and will be discovered through PRIA/FOIA.
A warning notice is a letter or form addressed to the apparent violator that brings to that person’s attention the facts and circumstances of the incident. The warning notice advises that, based on available information, the apparent violator’s action or inaction appears to be contrary to the regulations, but does not warrant legal enforcement action.
10-04-2012, 02:16 PM
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2 things that I stress about with applications, I have a Letter of Warning and I also had an electrical failure and fire and had to make an emergency landing at a controlled airport without clearance. I did not get violated by the FAA as they said I had no choice. But it is still an aircraft incident, right?
10-04-2012, 03:38 PM
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Read Chapter 5.3(b) in the "Enforcement Decision Process" (http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...201%20only.pdf):
In short, a Letter of Warning is, indeed, a violation. The only difference is that the FAA has decided that the violation wasn't severe enough to warrant legal action such as a suspension or revocation of your license. All violations (including those that ended up as Letters of Warning/Correction) go on your record and will be discovered through PRIA/FOIA.
In short, a Letter of Warning is, indeed, a violation. The only difference is that the FAA has decided that the violation wasn't severe enough to warrant legal action such as a suspension or revocation of your license. All violations (including those that ended up as Letters of Warning/Correction) go on your record and will be discovered through PRIA/FOIA.
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