Incidents, Accidents, Violations
10-04-2012, 04:06 PM
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-You don't wanna throw yourself under the bus. However, If you don't disclose something and they find out about it, the interview is over.... if you're already hired and in class when they make the discovery, they'll come and yank you out of class. I've seen it before
-I'd disclose anything that is on record. Just be ready to explain it during an interview. If you disclose something, explain it and you tell them what you learn from it, you should be OK
Remember, dishonesty is the number 1 sin as far as management is concern
-I'd disclose anything that is on record. Just be ready to explain it during an interview. If you disclose something, explain it and you tell them what you learn from it, you should be OK
Remember, dishonesty is the number 1 sin as far as management is concern
10-04-2012, 04:57 PM
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10-04-2012, 05:04 PM
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Read Chapter 5.3(b) in the "Enforcement Decision Process" (http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...201%20only.pdf):
Quote:
A warning notice is a letter or form addressed to the apparent violator that brings to that person’s attention the facts and circumstances of the incident. The warning notice advises that, based on available information, the apparent violator’s action or inaction appears to be contrary to the regulations, but does not warrant legal enforcement action.
In short, a Letter of Warning is, indeed, a violation. The only difference is that the FAA has decided that the violation wasn't severe enough to warrant legal action such as a suspension or revocation of your license. All violations (including those that ended up as Letters of Warning/Correction) go on your record and will be discovered through PRIA/FOIA.
Quote:
A warning notice is a letter or form addressed to the apparent violator that brings to that person’s attention the facts and circumstances of the incident. The warning notice advises that, based on available information, the apparent violator’s action or inaction appears to be contrary to the regulations, but does not warrant legal enforcement action.
In short, a Letter of Warning is, indeed, a violation. The only difference is that the FAA has decided that the violation wasn't severe enough to warrant legal action such as a suspension or revocation of your license. All violations (including those that ended up as Letters of Warning/Correction) go on your record and will be discovered through PRIA/FOIA.
They're saying that... you could probably get a violation for this if we chose to pursue this, but we're not going to violate you this time.
10-04-2012, 11:11 PM
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12-08-2012, 07:38 PM
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That tells you what has to be in the PRIA records. Order 2150.3b tells you what is "legal" and what is "administrative" action. All administrative action is expunged after 2 years.
12-15-2012, 12:14 PM
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The letter of warning is not a violation - you were not fined nor suspended.
Keep in mind FSDOs all operate on their own capricious 'interpretation' of the regs.
I've gotten the FOIA report on any violations issued for this Citation crash - none were issued, only warnings.
Check out the NTSB report here and then tell me how this isn't 'careless and reckless'
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12-16-2012, 01:09 PM
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Not sure, but if OP is applying to US Airways, I believe it says to list accidents, incidents, violations, letters of warning etc. The "etc" part I'm sure makes many people sweat what it includes.
It does not say LOI's (letters of investigation) I would assume most people would not include those, especially if they were found "not guilty"
It does not say LOI's (letters of investigation) I would assume most people would not include those, especially if they were found "not guilty"
12-18-2012, 03:52 AM
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If your company has an ASAP program your letter of warning or correction is NOT pria reportable and is only held internally between you and the company. After two years it disappears without a trace. Things that can screw you are if the FAA left a paper trail in your file "investigating" the event that gave you the letter of warning or if you are going to an airline and they call your old chief pilot and ask "has X ever been on any steps of discipline?" Most chief pilots are used to these calls and rarely divulge negative items.
An accident or incident that was investigated by the FAA is pretty obvious that you should report it. You can ask for a copy of your Oklahoma City file if you want to be certain.
An accident or incident that was investigated by the FAA is pretty obvious that you should report it. You can ask for a copy of your Oklahoma City file if you want to be certain.
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