OceanicPilot

Jbravo65 is on a slippery slope. Part of me says that if you fail 3 events in 8 months that you definitely need to do a self evaluation of your skills and study habits. One poster pointed out that he failed a commercial ride 30 years ago with no adverse effects. Unfortunately, Part 121 isn't GA and the pilots are expected to bring their "A" game. I definitely think one Part 121 failure is worse than two or three GA failures due to the structure of the training and proficiency levels expected. Airlines are not hiring First Officers, they are hiring future Captains and expect you to be able to command an aircraft under many situations. The fact that you had no problems with rather "ordinary" line flying doesn't necessarily mean that you handle the pressures of making good decisions when the chips are down.

Now having said that the regional where I worked way back when had an excellent training program and I feel was one of the best. I routinely heard stories of other less desirable training programs and felt grateful for what I had. On top of that you always have one or two examiners or instructors in the simulator who feel the need to prove a point.

I can empathize with your position and having sat on both sides of the interview table as well can only say to be honest, take responsibility, and do whatever you can to move forward from this point.

Due to the time constraints of the simulator check I think people often feel they need to "rush" through a maneuver. Often the simulator instructor is trying to get them to "finish". As you are the person responsible for the safe operation of the flight I would suggest that one delay vector or turn in the holding pattern would be preferable to putting yourself in a position where you are not ready. I would think that having an incomplete maneuver would be better than having an unsatisfactory maneuver. I recall that the examiners only had to complete a percentage of the maneuvers to be considered complete not withstanding the "mandatory" ones. Any examiners care to put in your $.02 on this?

Phantom Flyer

It's not the end of the line but it will be an uphill battle at best.

Unfortunately, there are a LOT of candidates out there who have never failed a check ride or a phase check of any type. That's what you're competing with. No matter how well you present yourself and how well you interview, that's on your record and any major carrier will find it and you will have to have a good, well thought out explanation of why you have failed three checks at a previous carrier. After sitting on selection boards for several years, I suggest you carefully think through your explanation of your track record and try to offset the negatives that record will show.

As has been suggested, perhaps you should look to getting a CFI and instruct for a couple of years and see what happens in this screwball industry.

G'Luck Mate.

wrxpilot

Perhaps I shouldn't include per diem, as technically that covers expenses occurred on a trip. But it really does add up depending on the type of trips you do (4 days vs locals, etc.). I always bring food with me so that I can eat healthy, and as a side benefit I save a lot of money. Sorry for the thread drift!

galaxy flyer

Wrxpilot

Sorry, too. I'm on actual expenses (corporate, not airline) so meals are merely reciepts on company card. Bit of an argument here, some and, perhaps, the company wants to change to per diem. STRONGLY opposed, I am. No fun and it would probably cost the company money in the end.

GF

wrxpilot

I used to fly corporate, and we were on an expense account too. I agree with you, I'd take an expense account over per diem any day. Really puts a hit on QOL when you start thinking about going to Subway instead of a nice steak and a beer.

rickair7777

Odds are that any examiner would require a full oral and flight check, since they don't have first or even second-hand knowledge of what transpired, and the original sim and examiner are probably not available for a re-check...

rickair7777

I tend to count per diem as income because I eat out a lot anyway, and wouldn't be saving anything if I was home (a rather high-cost metro area).

But if you spend more on the road than when at home, then per diem is really just re-reimbursement.

galaxy flyer

Why wouldn't he receive a "notice of disapproval" with the failed tasks noted and credited with those tasks that were passed? An applicant is supposed to be credited with passing those maneuvers passed.

GF

Bellanca

The examiner doesn't have to. One of the students at my school failed a private pilot checkride over the summer and the examiner went on vacation before they could reschedule, and the student had plane tickets to leave the country for 5 weeks before they could reschedule, so we sent him up with another examiner. The original examiner failed him for short field landings, but the other examiner had him partially retake the oral (a good 45 min to an hour) and go out and do stalls, steep turns, slow flight and all 3 landings. Since I had was the CFI doing the retraining and signing off the student for the retake a I had a good talk with the examiner, and he said he wasn't going to put his name on an applicant without seeing more than just one or two landings himself. And that was for a private cert in a DA-20...

rickair7777

It is at the discretion of the examiner whether he credits you for previously completed items. He has to check the failed items, but can also do anything else he wants as well.

If you redo the checkride with the same examiner within a short time frame, you'll most likely just do the stuff you messed up.

If you use a different examiner, or let a lot of time pass, most examiners will redo the entire ride or most of it since they are accepting responsibility and liability for your competence.