Failed ATP check ride- now out of job
09-16-2012, 06:42 AM
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I would think HR/ Training would candidly answer any question on what's in his training file, they get that sort of a call all the time. You can also get the PRIA record itself using Freedom of Information Act or other means.
09-16-2012, 06:52 AM
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Jbravo65, may I ask what your total time was at your ATP check? What was your flight experience when you got hired at this airline? Were your deficiencies mainly in the sim, oral, or both?
I ask because I too am on probation at my first airline and facing an ATP check at my first recurrent in a few months. I've never failed a checkride or stagecheck anywhere, but honestly, your situation is my biggest fear with this ATP ride coming up.
I ask because I too am on probation at my first airline and facing an ATP check at my first recurrent in a few months. I've never failed a checkride or stagecheck anywhere, but honestly, your situation is my biggest fear with this ATP ride coming up.
09-16-2012, 07:44 AM
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First and foremost, you must take "ownership" of your record, which shows some serious deficiencies. Three "busts" on probation is serious and potentially totally disqualifying in the current environment. It was not the company's fault, it was not the check airman's fault, regardless of what prople here might say, the next job interviewer will hang it on you.
Next, review your past year, what went wrong, why you weren't prepared, what lessons you didn't bring to check rides. If you know a senior-ish pilot to have a real heart-to-heart talk with, it would help. Someone you trust to give a honest evaluation and what might put you back on track. And I don't mean an anonymous forum. A real mentor honest enough to say you should be a carpenter or can really put your career as a pilot back on the rails.
Lastly, this isn't thirty years ago; the age of quick news, law suits, PRIA, and Colgan 3407 makes airline employers nervous and with the number of better candidates out there, consider the possibility of not flying for an airline. Hard as it is, you need to rebuild your reputation by flying lots of time somewhere.
GF
Next, review your past year, what went wrong, why you weren't prepared, what lessons you didn't bring to check rides. If you know a senior-ish pilot to have a real heart-to-heart talk with, it would help. Someone you trust to give a honest evaluation and what might put you back on track. And I don't mean an anonymous forum. A real mentor honest enough to say you should be a carpenter or can really put your career as a pilot back on the rails.
Lastly, this isn't thirty years ago; the age of quick news, law suits, PRIA, and Colgan 3407 makes airline employers nervous and with the number of better candidates out there, consider the possibility of not flying for an airline. Hard as it is, you need to rebuild your reputation by flying lots of time somewhere.
GF
09-16-2012, 08:36 AM
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Once suggestion would be to take the "pink slip" to the local FSDO and ask an inspector what is needed to recheck and be issued the ATP. You will need it, if you continue in aviation and it would be boost to your ego.
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09-16-2012, 11:25 AM
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I had over 2000 hrs when I took the ck ride. I was well prepared for the oral and breezed through it. I came very close to passing the ATP ck ride but configured late on the very last approach and my v.s. got a little out of control. Hind site is 20/20 but I should have gone around. 1 approach and landing and I would have been done. My advise now is don't get complacent when your close to getting done and don't be afraid to go around!
09-16-2012, 11:29 AM
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I like that suggestion. I think I'll look into that.
09-16-2012, 11:36 AM
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That's messed up. Only because you were on probation. All you would've had to do is redue that approach on the second ride and you were done. It's also up to the APD if they want to see you do that approach again at that time. Tough break. Who was the APD? CW?
09-16-2012, 12:52 PM
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I had a similar experience and decided to leave aviation altogether and it was for the better. Self employed now home every night flexible to do what ever i choose and couldn't be happier financially. It wasn't worth the stress of explaining myself for a job worth 24k a year not to mention the volatility of this career. Regional airline here today & gone tomorrow. 3 unsats and shown the door. it's a cut throat industry. You'll have to look deep in to yourself and see if this is what you want. You gotta love it if you're willing to put up with this. But if you love it you must do what u love and keep trying.
09-16-2012, 01:13 PM
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I had a similar experience and decided to leave aviation altogether and it was for the better. Self employed now home every night flexible to do what ever i choose and couldn't be happier financially. It wasn't worth the stress of explaining myself for a job worth 24k a year not to mention the volatility of this career. Regional airline here today & gone tomorrow. 3 unsats and shown the door. it's a cut throat industry. You'll have to look deep in to yourself and see if this is what you want. You gotta love it if you're willing to put up with this. But if you love it you must do what u love and keep trying.
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