Major invite but now question about app
10-30-2018, 03:54 PM
#11
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I stole a piece of gum in 3rd Grade and later, in High School, I cheated on an Algebra test.
Will "The Majors" ( Oooh, Scary ) be able to check into this and should I put it on my application and then confess again in the interview ?
ANSWER: RELAX FRANCIS
Airlines can barely manage their own day-to-day affairs let alone take the time and effort to give two sh!ts about anything you have done short of a an extensive Rap Sheet and numerous convictions.
Seriously.
Stimpson J. Kat - Esquire
Will "The Majors" ( Oooh, Scary ) be able to check into this and should I put it on my application and then confess again in the interview ?
ANSWER: RELAX FRANCIS
Airlines can barely manage their own day-to-day affairs let alone take the time and effort to give two sh!ts about anything you have done short of a an extensive Rap Sheet and numerous convictions.
Seriously.
Stimpson J. Kat - Esquire
10-30-2018, 06:14 PM
#12
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There have definitely been cases of folks gaming the system by checking a lot of boxes to get an interview, and then unchecking them after they get called in hopes nobody will notice. So that's a real thing some of the majors are looking for, hence the suggestion not to change the app (other than update flight times) after an interview call.
Ticking boxes is silly anyway. The way to beat an ATS is resume buzzwords.
Funny factoid about resume scoring:
"Military Service:
No relevant military service completed, no military rank"
on average gives higher score than:
"Military Service:
Graduate from West Point"
10-31-2018, 04:59 PM
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10-31-2018, 06:01 PM
#14
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Because it gives more hits on scoring words.
It has 3 "Military" hits instead of just one. It also has "service completed", which often is a scoring word.
Every major airline uses some sort of ATS (Applicant Tracking System) for their applications. I believe AA for example uses Oracle Taleo.
To give an oversimplified idea about what it does, it compares your application/resume/cover letter to the job description and calculates a match (that is why you want to use buzzwords from the job description in your resume and cover letter). It then goes through them again, and gives points for words. The company running the ATS gives points for different words, and that gives you the score for your resume. It simply is a list of words. Military can be 10 points, Volunteer work 5, and so on. These words obviously aren't public and are company specific, but I'm sure most can figure out what words airlines would appreciate.
This is done immediately after you send your application, and if you don't score high enough, no human will ever see your application.
So to get someone to actually look at your resume, you need to "beat" the ATS. Most resume review companies are experts in doing just this - they know roughly what words/formats different companies score highly, and they will suggest using those words in the resume. This is just so your application will beat the computer, and you'll actually get a human to see it.
After that, obviously the resume needs to be well written and somewhat relevant. But you'll be much more likely to get an interview if you pass the computer, the person looking at it probably won't spend much time with it. Very often it is just a check box, "meets requirements" and the ATS automatically sends an email for an interview (or invite to Hogan, or whatever the company wants).
As an extreme example, you can pretty easily get your resume to be 100% match and score the top score, but it would just be a list of words and the human would then throw it out because it would make no sense.
It has 3 "Military" hits instead of just one. It also has "service completed", which often is a scoring word.
Every major airline uses some sort of ATS (Applicant Tracking System) for their applications. I believe AA for example uses Oracle Taleo.
To give an oversimplified idea about what it does, it compares your application/resume/cover letter to the job description and calculates a match (that is why you want to use buzzwords from the job description in your resume and cover letter). It then goes through them again, and gives points for words. The company running the ATS gives points for different words, and that gives you the score for your resume. It simply is a list of words. Military can be 10 points, Volunteer work 5, and so on. These words obviously aren't public and are company specific, but I'm sure most can figure out what words airlines would appreciate.
This is done immediately after you send your application, and if you don't score high enough, no human will ever see your application.
So to get someone to actually look at your resume, you need to "beat" the ATS. Most resume review companies are experts in doing just this - they know roughly what words/formats different companies score highly, and they will suggest using those words in the resume. This is just so your application will beat the computer, and you'll actually get a human to see it.
After that, obviously the resume needs to be well written and somewhat relevant. But you'll be much more likely to get an interview if you pass the computer, the person looking at it probably won't spend much time with it. Very often it is just a check box, "meets requirements" and the ATS automatically sends an email for an interview (or invite to Hogan, or whatever the company wants).
As an extreme example, you can pretty easily get your resume to be 100% match and score the top score, but it would just be a list of words and the human would then throw it out because it would make no sense.
11-02-2018, 09:35 AM
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Because it gives more hits on scoring words.
It has 3 "Military" hits instead of just one. It also has "service completed", which often is a scoring word.
Every major airline uses some sort of ATS (Applicant Tracking System) for their applications. I believe AA for example uses Oracle Taleo.
To give an oversimplified idea about what it does, it compares your application/resume/cover letter to the job description and calculates a match (that is why you want to use buzzwords from the job description in your resume and cover letter). It then goes through them again, and gives points for words. The company running the ATS gives points for different words, and that gives you the score for your resume. It simply is a list of words. Military can be 10 points, Volunteer work 5, and so on. These words obviously aren't public and are company specific, but I'm sure most can figure out what words airlines would appreciate.
This is done immediately after you send your application, and if you don't score high enough, no human will ever see your application.
So to get someone to actually look at your resume, you need to "beat" the ATS. Most resume review companies are experts in doing just this - they know roughly what words/formats different companies score highly, and they will suggest using those words in the resume. This is just so your application will beat the computer, and you'll actually get a human to see it.
After that, obviously the resume needs to be well written and somewhat relevant. But you'll be much more likely to get an interview if you pass the computer, the person looking at it probably won't spend much time with it. Very often it is just a check box, "meets requirements" and the ATS automatically sends an email for an interview (or invite to Hogan, or whatever the company wants).
As an extreme example, you can pretty easily get your resume to be 100% match and score the top score, but it would just be a list of words and the human would then throw it out because it would make no sense.
It has 3 "Military" hits instead of just one. It also has "service completed", which often is a scoring word.
Every major airline uses some sort of ATS (Applicant Tracking System) for their applications. I believe AA for example uses Oracle Taleo.
To give an oversimplified idea about what it does, it compares your application/resume/cover letter to the job description and calculates a match (that is why you want to use buzzwords from the job description in your resume and cover letter). It then goes through them again, and gives points for words. The company running the ATS gives points for different words, and that gives you the score for your resume. It simply is a list of words. Military can be 10 points, Volunteer work 5, and so on. These words obviously aren't public and are company specific, but I'm sure most can figure out what words airlines would appreciate.
This is done immediately after you send your application, and if you don't score high enough, no human will ever see your application.
So to get someone to actually look at your resume, you need to "beat" the ATS. Most resume review companies are experts in doing just this - they know roughly what words/formats different companies score highly, and they will suggest using those words in the resume. This is just so your application will beat the computer, and you'll actually get a human to see it.
After that, obviously the resume needs to be well written and somewhat relevant. But you'll be much more likely to get an interview if you pass the computer, the person looking at it probably won't spend much time with it. Very often it is just a check box, "meets requirements" and the ATS automatically sends an email for an interview (or invite to Hogan, or whatever the company wants).
As an extreme example, you can pretty easily get your resume to be 100% match and score the top score, but it would just be a list of words and the human would then throw it out because it would make no sense.
Is this list of words from my alma mater accurate: Action Verbs
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