Will glider rating help resume?
Will glider rating help resume?
10-31-2017, 10:03 PM
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I wouldn't spend the time/money to do it if you're just looking for a boost to future employment. Do it because it'll make you a better aviator and is incredibly fun.
That being said, the more boxes you can check on the application, the better. Plus, it might just give you something interesting to talk about in an interview or meet-and-greet.
That being said, the more boxes you can check on the application, the better. Plus, it might just give you something interesting to talk about in an interview or meet-and-greet.
11-01-2017, 05:47 AM
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The commercial glider rating allows you to be paid for giving glider rides. Although the pay may cover your gas to get to the airport. It counts as total flight time so a portion will help towards additional rating requirements. I recommend getting a glider tow pilot endorsement as well. I built a handful of hours that way. Flying gliders is a lot of fun but using it to reach your airline goals is simply just a weekend sideline gig, logging a couple dozen hours a year!
11-01-2017, 09:32 AM
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Here's a different approach -
1. Will a glider rating hurt your resume?
2. Will flying a glider make me a worse pilot?
3. Will I learn nothing from flying gliders?
The answer is 'no' to all questions.
If you haven't added a new rating, qualification, or passed a 121 school in the last couple of years adding a new rating, and exposing yourself to a formal review, might help your resume.
1. Will a glider rating hurt your resume?
2. Will flying a glider make me a worse pilot?
3. Will I learn nothing from flying gliders?
The answer is 'no' to all questions.
If you haven't added a new rating, qualification, or passed a 121 school in the last couple of years adding a new rating, and exposing yourself to a formal review, might help your resume.
11-01-2017, 05:30 PM
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Yes, any additional ratings or flying will help... a little.
But be very careful, the consequences of getting a pink slip far outweigh any potential resume/application benefit from non-turbine extra-curricular flying.
But be very careful, the consequences of getting a pink slip far outweigh any potential resume/application benefit from non-turbine extra-curricular flying.
11-01-2017, 07:23 PM
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Rickair - this is why airlines have mentioned being leery of guys who havn't exposed themselves to a recent training event - are they hiding due to a lack of ability? Or fear of failure? In the past, and it might exist to some degree in the current new hire computer selection modeling, guys who hadn't exposed themselves within the last X years to a 'jeopardy' event weren't selected.
11-02-2017, 08:24 AM
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Rickair - this is why airlines have mentioned being leery of guys who havn't exposed themselves to a recent training event - are they hiding due to a lack of ability? Or fear of failure? In the past, and it might exist to some degree in the current new hire computer selection modeling, guys who hadn't exposed themselves within the last X years to a 'jeopardy' event weren't selected.
Some of that was probably due to age (it does get harder after 40 or so). You can easily adjust by working harder and modifying your study (and drinking) techniques but I've seen folks who don't "get" that, and keep beating their head against the wall wondering why the same old paradigm from age 25 no longer works. Healthy lifestyle is vital.
Some due to being out of the habit of learning. I saw this at the major, some folks had a real culture shock after the welcome aboard phase of indoc transitioned to real training. I went in expecting to get hit full in the face and wasn't disappointed...
Some due to attitude, not necessarily "bad" attitude but people who have been CA's for years may become accustomed to being spoon fed a bit.
Also you need to be in "candidate" mode, not "customer" mode. After having been at one regional for many years, recurrent training wasn't really stressful... they had their hands full with noobs and upgrades, so when an old-hand showed up it was pretty pro-forma. This also applies to part 91 pilots who are used to Flight Safety... which treats them like customers. I've noticed airlines like to see at least some 135 time if they're going to hire 91 person.
But I think for airline purposes, a "recent training event" needs to be a professional turbine event. I don't think that a essentially recreational glider or piston rating is going to reset your training clock in their minds.
This can be a gotcha for regionals pilots who only have one type on property. Once you upgrade, that's your last training-clock reset, and if you get delayed for some reason you might be stuck, baring some expensive hail-mary like paying for a 73 type. The ERJ was a God-send for many older CRJ CA's who were stuck at SKW... it showed up just when major hiring started to spool up. Many guys would transition to ERJ and then be gone within a year.
11-17-2017, 01:51 PM
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The majors determined (or experienced more likely) that after the stagnation of the 2000's, older folks who had been flying the same plane for many years often struggled with training.
Some of that was probably due to age (it does get harder after 40 or so). You can easily adjust by working harder and modifying your study (and drinking) techniques but I've seen folks who don't "get" that, and keep beating their head against the wall wondering why the same old paradigm from age 25 no longer works. Healthy lifestyle is vital.
Some due to being out of the habit of learning. I saw this at the major, some folks had a real culture shock after the welcome aboard phase of indoc transitioned to real training. I went in expecting to get hit full in the face and wasn't disappointed...
Some due to attitude, not necessarily "bad" attitude but people who have been CA's for years may become accustomed to being spoon fed a bit.
Also you need to be in "candidate" mode, not "customer" mode. After having been at one regional for many years, recurrent training wasn't really stressful... they had their hands full with noobs and upgrades, so when an old-hand showed up it was pretty pro-forma. This also applies to part 91 pilots who are used to Flight Safety... which treats them like customers. I've noticed airlines like to see at least some 135 time if they're going to hire 91 person.
But I think for airline purposes, a "recent training event" needs to be a professional turbine event. I don't think that a essentially recreational glider or piston rating is going to reset your training clock in their minds.
This can be a gotcha for regionals pilots who only have one type on property. Once you upgrade, that's your last training-clock reset, and if you get delayed for some reason you might be stuck, baring some expensive hail-mary like paying for a 73 type. The ERJ was a God-send for many older CRJ CA's who were stuck at SKW... it showed up just when major hiring started to spool up. Many guys would transition to ERJ and then be gone within a year.
Some of that was probably due to age (it does get harder after 40 or so). You can easily adjust by working harder and modifying your study (and drinking) techniques but I've seen folks who don't "get" that, and keep beating their head against the wall wondering why the same old paradigm from age 25 no longer works. Healthy lifestyle is vital.
Some due to being out of the habit of learning. I saw this at the major, some folks had a real culture shock after the welcome aboard phase of indoc transitioned to real training. I went in expecting to get hit full in the face and wasn't disappointed...
Some due to attitude, not necessarily "bad" attitude but people who have been CA's for years may become accustomed to being spoon fed a bit.
Also you need to be in "candidate" mode, not "customer" mode. After having been at one regional for many years, recurrent training wasn't really stressful... they had their hands full with noobs and upgrades, so when an old-hand showed up it was pretty pro-forma. This also applies to part 91 pilots who are used to Flight Safety... which treats them like customers. I've noticed airlines like to see at least some 135 time if they're going to hire 91 person.
But I think for airline purposes, a "recent training event" needs to be a professional turbine event. I don't think that a essentially recreational glider or piston rating is going to reset your training clock in their minds.
This can be a gotcha for regionals pilots who only have one type on property. Once you upgrade, that's your last training-clock reset, and if you get delayed for some reason you might be stuck, baring some expensive hail-mary like paying for a 73 type. The ERJ was a God-send for many older CRJ CA's who were stuck at SKW... it showed up just when major hiring started to spool up. Many guys would transition to ERJ and then be gone within a year.
Ironically I was told to remove my glider time as it might be hurting my application. 😳
11-17-2017, 03:45 PM
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It’s something to do with the app where the glider time is not recognized in a total so when you add up the times it appears not to match your total time. 🙄
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