Will glider rating help resume?
#21
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
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It did help. Does help. Additional training, ratings, experience, exposure, helps.
Sully made it, with fairly narrow margins as to where he could have gone, and elected to go. Whether he flew it like a high aspect ratio, high performance glider doesn't change that fact.
Gaining exposure to gliding and seeking the experience and training isn't going to hurt you.
Having additional ratings alongside your basic pilot certification, isn't going to hurt you, either.
Nothing is going to guarantee an interview or a job, except perhaps nepotism. If it gets you noticed in a good way, it may be to your benefit, even if it's just an ice breaker in the interview.
I have photos of some of the more unusual aircraft I've flown, in my logbook. It's done the same thing; provided conversation beyond answering canned questions across a desk or table. In at least one case, it continued right through the sim session, providing a more relaxed, common ground atmosphere.
It also shows a dedication to one's training and to aviation in general. Not a detriment.
Not everything is that way. I was an avid jumper for many years, and that's one thing that's best not introduced in an interview in most cases. I'd argue quite soundly that it's good training, good benefit, and that I learned more about aerodynamics from flying my own body in freefall than I ever learned from a book, but it's not the fodder for the interview table (or an application) because of the implied connotations that go with it; the perception of what jumping is, vs. what it really is, mean it's probably not the first thing one should show, when discussing hobbies, experience, etc.
This is not true of gliding, which is a valid training experience, FAA rating, and makes for a better, well rounded pilot. One isn't hurting a thing to get glider training and certification.
I suspect Sully might agree.
#22
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We agree. Additional experience and exposure will make you a more knowledgeable pilot which should make you a better pilot.
If a candidate hasn’t had a recent training event (upgrade, new type rating, switched jobs) (recurrents don’t count) getting a new rating might trigger the computer review program. In the past at least one airline had a defined timeframe - if you hadn’t exposed yourself to a full blown examination in X years your resume was ignored.
The industry is leery of people who’ve been in one seat for years and years. So a glider rating, or seaplane rating, etc, won’t hurt and getting it as an add on might help if a candidate has been stuck in one seat for a long time(5+ yrs???).
If a candidate hasn’t had a recent training event (upgrade, new type rating, switched jobs) (recurrents don’t count) getting a new rating might trigger the computer review program. In the past at least one airline had a defined timeframe - if you hadn’t exposed yourself to a full blown examination in X years your resume was ignored.
The industry is leery of people who’ve been in one seat for years and years. So a glider rating, or seaplane rating, etc, won’t hurt and getting it as an add on might help if a candidate has been stuck in one seat for a long time(5+ yrs???).
#23
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Well you switched from saying having glider experience helped to something else. Let’s focus on aircraft performance.
The NTSB has the facts for professionals interested -
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ts/AAR1003.pdf
Regarding gliding experience I’d recommend - page 4 (21/213 pdf), Page 56 (73/213 pdf) third paragraph, pages 88-90 (105-107/213 pdf), pages 96-98 (113-115/213 pdf).
Page 4 depicts the flight path. If you measure the distance from where they crossed the Harlem river the distance they flew was slightly farther than flying to runway 13 at LGA. Considering the NTSB’s finding #21 continuing to the Hudson was the wisest choice.
NTSB finding #21 (page 121, 137/213 pdf) recommends crews get training on dual engine failures at low altitude.
Regarding finding #21 you need an energy spot (call it ‘departure key’) to allow an immediate RTB. Since the airlines haven’t provided the training I’d recommend using clean’ and minimum clean speed after departure as the energy spot that allows an immediate return. That also happens to be the energy spot that US 1549 had, clean, 2818’, and 220 kts. Prior to the ‘departure key’ you don’t have enough energy. After that, with both engines at climb power, you’re out climbing your glide profile until you’re much higher (assuming no level offs)
I’d recommend trying it in the sim a couple of times. From liftoff until clean your options are very limited. Clean and min clean speed opens up the window of a potential immediate RTB. Push over to maintain L/D and start seeing if your performance matches what you’ve experienced in the simulator. If it does you’re golden. If it doesn’t switch to plan B.
The NTSB has the facts for professionals interested -
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ts/AAR1003.pdf
Regarding gliding experience I’d recommend - page 4 (21/213 pdf), Page 56 (73/213 pdf) third paragraph, pages 88-90 (105-107/213 pdf), pages 96-98 (113-115/213 pdf).
Page 4 depicts the flight path. If you measure the distance from where they crossed the Harlem river the distance they flew was slightly farther than flying to runway 13 at LGA. Considering the NTSB’s finding #21 continuing to the Hudson was the wisest choice.
NTSB finding #21 (page 121, 137/213 pdf) recommends crews get training on dual engine failures at low altitude.
Regarding finding #21 you need an energy spot (call it ‘departure key’) to allow an immediate RTB. Since the airlines haven’t provided the training I’d recommend using clean’ and minimum clean speed after departure as the energy spot that allows an immediate return. That also happens to be the energy spot that US 1549 had, clean, 2818’, and 220 kts. Prior to the ‘departure key’ you don’t have enough energy. After that, with both engines at climb power, you’re out climbing your glide profile until you’re much higher (assuming no level offs)
I’d recommend trying it in the sim a couple of times. From liftoff until clean your options are very limited. Clean and min clean speed opens up the window of a potential immediate RTB. Push over to maintain L/D and start seeing if your performance matches what you’ve experienced in the simulator. If it does you’re golden. If it doesn’t switch to plan B.
Everything I’ve read by Sullenberger he mentions his time in type and varied flight experiences as two things that helped him.
The NTSB report sticks to those things they can quantify, such as Airline sim training. There is not one word that I saw on the crews training outside of Airline training.
Finally, great idea to try and set it up in the sim. Unfortunately, most airlines don’t do any training other than that prescribed by the FAA, though my current employer is probably an exception. We practiced dual engine failures to a relight prior 9E 3710, though not to a ditching until after 1549. We also trained on how to “recover” from a situation such as that encountered by 5481, though really, best case, you’re looking at a controlled crash.
So, although it may not be quantified in an NTSB report, everything I’ve experienced over time and read is that varied flight experiences help prepare one for emergencies that may not be found in a QRH. My glider training and background teaching aerobatics and combat maneuver training in particular taught me much that is applicable to other types of flying.
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