Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Career Builder > Career Questions
Will glider rating help resume? >

Will glider rating help resume?

Search

Notices
Career Questions Career advice, interview prep and gouges, job fairs, etc.

Will glider rating help resume?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-18-2017, 06:54 PM
  #11  
Disinterested Third Party
 
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,261
Default

Sully was a glider pilot. It worked out well for him.
JohnBurke is offline  
Old 11-18-2017, 09:01 PM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,888
Default

Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Sully was a glider pilot. It worked out well for him.
Yeah, but he had the military fixed wing going for him so it was overlooked. I’m pretty sure military fixed wing new hires skew the average age upward at legacies.
Blackhawk is offline  
Old 11-18-2017, 10:17 PM
  #13  
Disinterested Third Party
 
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,261
Default

Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Yeah, but he had the military fixed wing going for him so it was overlooked. I’m pretty sure military fixed wing new hires skew the average age upward at legacies.
That went right over your head, didn't it?
JohnBurke is offline  
Old 11-19-2017, 09:57 AM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,888
Default

Originally Posted by JohnBurke
That went right over your head, didn't it?
No, I get your point. His glider training helped him in the situation he faced.
But we were also discussing, and the OP asked, how glider flight time would be viewed by those hiring. In the scheme of what they look for it does not appear to even be a blip.
I don’t think those who hired him even knew about his glider training.
Blackhawk is offline  
Old 11-19-2017, 11:31 AM
  #15  
Disinterested Third Party
 
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,261
Default

It wasn't the first time he deadsticked a large airplane to a landing, having done so in an F-4.

No, you can go straight to that coveted shiny jet job with nothing more than the bare minimum; a lot do. It's an entry level position that doesn't really require much from you other than show up and fly IFR.

There is no requirement of you other than to check the minimum boxes and fly your line.

There's also nothing to prevent you seeking to better yourself through additional ratings, education, training, experience, etc. Who knows. One day it might even save your life.
JohnBurke is offline  
Old 11-19-2017, 03:35 PM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,888
Default

Originally Posted by JohnBurke
It wasn't the first time he deadsticked a large airplane to a landing, having done so in an F-4.

No, you can go straight to that coveted shiny jet job with nothing more than the bare minimum; a lot do. It's an entry level position that doesn't really require much from you other than show up and fly IFR.

There is no requirement of you other than to check the minimum boxes and fly your line.

There's also nothing to prevent you seeking to better yourself through additional ratings, education, training, experience, etc. Who knows. One day it might even save your life.
I don’t disagree and have done so. I’m kind of an aviation geek. I’ve taught aerobatics, helicopters, fixed wing, NVGs in combat. Need to knock out the CFI-G.
But again, I don’t think that was the OPs question. I’m living proof that the legacy carriers care little about that. I probably would have been better served knocking out a masters degree than honing my aviation skills.
Blackhawk is offline  
Old 11-19-2017, 04:56 PM
  #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,482
Default

Originally Posted by Blackhawk
No, I get your point. His glider training helped him in the situation he faced.
It didn’t help him.

They went from barely below L/D speed (-3 to -5 kts) to 43 kts below L/D. It’s in the NTSB report.
Sliceback is offline  
Old 11-19-2017, 05:09 PM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: 6th place
Posts: 1,826
Default

Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I don’t disagree and have done so. I’m kind of an aviation geek. I’ve taught aerobatics, helicopters, fixed wing, NVGs in combat. Need to knock out the CFI-G.

But again, I don’t think that was the OPs question. I’m living proof that the legacy carriers care little about that. I probably would have been better served knocking out a masters degree than honing my aviation skills.


How long have you been trying to get on with a major?
mainlineAF is offline  
Old 11-20-2017, 10:42 AM
  #19  
Disinterested Third Party
 
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,261
Default

Originally Posted by Sliceback
It didn’t help him.

They went from barely below L/D speed (-3 to -5 kts) to 43 kts below L/D. It’s in the NTSB report.
And he didn't finish the ditching checklist. Yet he did a darn good job of putting it in the water and there were zero fatalities.

When you've accomplished the same, check in with your results. Let's see how you do.
JohnBurke is offline  
Old 11-20-2017, 01:48 PM
  #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,482
Default

Well you switched from saying having glider experience helped to something else. Let’s focus on aircraft performance.

The NTSB has the facts for professionals interested -

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ts/AAR1003.pdf

Regarding gliding experience I’d recommend - page 4 (21/213 pdf), Page 56 (73/213 pdf) third paragraph, pages 88-90 (105-107/213 pdf), pages 96-98 (113-115/213 pdf).

Page 4 depicts the flight path. If you measure the distance from where they crossed the Harlem river the distance they flew was slightly farther than flying to runway 13 at LGA. Considering the NTSB’s finding #21 continuing to the Hudson was the wisest choice.

NTSB finding #21 (page 121, 137/213 pdf) recommends crews get training on dual engine failures at low altitude.

Regarding finding #21 you need an energy spot (call it ‘departure key’) to allow an immediate RTB. Since the airlines haven’t provided the training I’d recommend using clean’ and minimum clean speed after departure as the energy spot that allows an immediate return. That also happens to be the energy spot that US 1549 had, clean, 2818’, and 220 kts. Prior to the ‘departure key’ you don’t have enough energy. After that, with both engines at climb power, you’re out climbing your glide profile until you’re much higher (assuming no level offs)

I’d recommend trying it in the sim a couple of times. From liftoff until clean your options are very limited. Clean and min clean speed opens up the window of a potential immediate RTB. Push over to maintain L/D and start seeing if your performance matches what you’ve experienced in the simulator. If it does you’re golden. If it doesn’t switch to plan B.
Sliceback is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
JerkStore
Career Questions
2
01-02-2015 06:33 PM
theHub
Flight Schools and Training
33
01-28-2012 03:56 PM
Piedmonster
Corporate
14
03-14-2011 05:31 PM
usmc-sgt
Hangar Talk
6
01-02-2009 05:10 AM
Mitragorz
Flight Schools and Training
7
11-06-2008 12:52 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices