WHACKMASTER

Well, that’s not a sustainable business model if you want to continue to expand.

CADR

pilots that think trying to invest 30 years of their career at Breeze are mentally ill. Breeze should be used as a stepping stone to get 121 time/ PIC time and than get out and go to a legacy airline like AA, DAL, UAL, SWA.

I mean you honestly think Breeze will be around in its current form in 2050? lol. These pilots at Breeze are in for a rude awakening during their career if they think they are at their "forever job" with Breeze. Meanwhile they are currently missing the boat at the best hiring / career advancement at legacy airlines in their lifetime.

bluespoon

It’s not so black and white. It’s a gamble. Hoping we’re top of the list of the next JetBlue or Azul, we’re all taking our chances. The seniority advances have been insane here so far, we were at like 100 pilots first year, now we’re at 500, and not even close to being done. All we need to be closer to a legacy is the direct contribution. Most are here because they want to see this place succeed and also because of the bases.

The 307 Guy

In the event of a merger breeze wouldn’t be a bad spot to be. Could be better than jumping ship prematurely.

CADR

You're thinking very small. Breeze lacks and will never have everything the legacies have established for decades. Infrastructure, code shares, airport mega hubs, political influence and lobbyists, cargo flying, wide bodies, global reach, brand value. All it will take is another covid, black swan event and breeze will fold. Your gamble is worthless when right now you can jump to a legacy and have an amazing career with advancement and seniority and great pilot contracts. All the big 3 get paid the same now and all have massive retirements and growth ahead. You may have missed the wave at DAL, but you still have time with UAL and definitely AA.

Again, If you think investing your whole career at Breeze because they are "seriously nice" and going to be the "next" jetBlue, you should reconsider. Btw, how's jetBlue doing these days? Not great...

bluespoon

So far people like flying on Breeze. Again, we went from around 100 pilots first year to 500 pilots 3 years later. We have around 24 A220s now and it could be up to 120 if all the options are exercised and who knows what other aircraft types there could be in the future. We already have the “advancement and seniority” now, we have the good schedules(if you’re not commuting), we just need a contract. If we get that then there would be no reason to leave unless you want widebody international.

60av8tor

And pay rates... I do commend you, though. I've never seen such a cheerleader for their shop. It's funny, I read nothing but awesomeness from you, and absolute garbage from many others. I feel like your experience is similar to MLM schemes. You were one of the first, so life is good. Sunk cost fallacy also comes into play a bit here IMO. Just like some of the regional lifers that skipped a flow.

CADR

You're missing out on a lot of money (income), retirement, job security, and benefits by not going to a legacy. Also, it does not take much to get an interview and hired right now, the same may not be true in 5-10 years when the massive hiring music has stopped at the legacies and when Breeze is chapter 11 asking you to take a pay cut to keep the lights on.

Stop drinking the Breeze "new airline" kool-aid and wise up before it's too late.

Tpinks

Union reps do not directly influence negotiations and nobody on the negotiation team came from a carrier that did not have a contract.

bonvoyage

yes but no one on the negotiations team came from anything more than a regional, not a hard knock, just an honest observation. So the background we have is the same as fighting for a regional contract. Call a spade a spade, we would be lucky to get provisions that Allegiant even has