bluespoon

Sorry, the math just doesn't add up regarding pay. Especially if we actually do get a contract next 3 years. Assuming you don't care about widebody international flying, you'd be taking a pay cut leaving Breeze. By the time you make the same amount there as you did here, assunming you didn't take the first avaiable upgrade that nobody wants, either we have the contract with DC or you would have had crazy seniority. Now's probably not the best time to be switching companies, unless you have to. You need as many people under you as possible with all the volatilty. Also I'm sure a lot of us are here for something different, not just pay. Otheriwse why would you go to a startup, it's a gamble.

60av8tor

Where is there? You're saying it would take someone 3 years at a legacy to equal pay at Breeze?

bonvoyage

year 2 FO legacy min guarantee pay is within a few thousand of year 2/3/4 Breeze CA min guarantee pay. Plus they actually get a retirement plan, and if you figure that in, the breeze pilot not only makes about 20k less, but also yields several hundred thousand less in retirement. Your math doesn’t add up. No one at any LCC other than SWA has ever yielded anything close to legacy compensation. There’s no argument to be had about that!

If you believe we will get a contract within 3 years, you’re an absolute fool! Plus IF we even get a contract it will be an absolute garbage one. Look at Allegiant and that is our future. They took the better part of a decade to get a contract

bluespoon

Ok yea year 2 LOL What year would you be here by then? I guess still making guarantee huh? Stop making it seem like it's not a paycut, you're not going to be making the same amount for at least 3 years unless you take the upgrade nobody wants. As far as contracts, you have no clue. It could be 3 years, it could be 5+. If it sooner than later then its definitly not worth leaving.

WHACKMASTER

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WHACKMASTER

You have incredibly poor risk analysis skills.

60av8tor

Really not sure where you’re getting your info, but assuming Breeze’s webpage is accurate, at 24 months on property, a legacy WB FO is making more than an 8 year 220 CA - that’s not even including 17% DC, PS, etc. NB isn’t too far behind that. I didn’t even look at your all’s FO pay scale.

I guess I’m really missing where you’re seeing a pay cut going from Breeze to a legacy.

And this makes no sense to me. We’re all doing the same thing - flying planes for money. The fact that you do it for a “start up” shouldn’t mean you do it for way less than industry standard - many articles about this when Breeze first started out. This is the mentality that keeps pilot groups in the crapper.

bluespoon

Well we’re talking about leaving here as a captain. Let’s compare apples to apples, Breeze doesn’t fly the A350. Some pilots have no desire at all to fly widebody. Check your numbers then. If you want widebody international, have at it.

bluespoon

Ok well we’ll see.

60av8tor

You tell me to compare apples-apples, but yet you're making a comparison based on leaving as a CA and remaining a NB FO when other options are available. Very confused on your logic here.

Im not bagging on your pilot group; we all have niches that fit us individually and reasons for the place we hang our hat. Hell, I really enjoyed my regional for my own personal reasons, but it was well known to be a pretty crappy one. Somehow you're doing the mental gymnastics (but telling me to compare apples-apples) that it is financially more advantageous to stay at Breeze over a legacy. I don't have to check numbers, they're in plain sight right now, not if this happens or that happens in the future.

I'm not saying making the jump is easy or doesn't come with some risk. We've hired almost 1/3 of my airline the last few years - you'd be on the bottom of a huge seniority list - that's a fact. But that doesn't change the objective financials. Stay for location, stay for the plane, routes, or schedules, stay for seniority, stay because it's the safe thing to do for you. Heck, stay for that "it's a start up, it's something unique, we're changing the industry" BS. But financially ahead? You're deluding yourself.