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12-24-2023, 03:49 PM
#4541
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2023
Posts: 64
The reality is a few of the top Captain, and the line check pilots clear above $300,000, but the VAST majority make Minimim guarantee, or a few bucks more. Minimum guarantee for a 3 year A220 captain is under 200k + a 6% match.
It’s very simple math to do. The minimum pay for a legacy 737 Captain at year 3 is $330k + $50-60k given to retirement and real reserve rules. The first officers can make $275-300,000 by year 5. I for one can’t see things go well for Breeze with the amount of pilots we have leaving right now
It’s very simple math to do. The minimum pay for a legacy 737 Captain at year 3 is $330k + $50-60k given to retirement and real reserve rules. The first officers can make $275-300,000 by year 5. I for one can’t see things go well for Breeze with the amount of pilots we have leaving right now
GUYS! I'M ON YOUR SIDE!!!!
12-24-2023, 04:34 PM
#4542
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Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 498
Next Breeze captain you see/fly with, politely ask to see their workday earnings. If you held any type of line in 2023, Spring/Summer OVERTIME absolutely pushed most near/over $300,000. Also, I never said reserve guys were making $300k... obviously. At Breeze, you actually can count on Spring/Summer OT for the foreseable future because of growth mode. Long term? I'm sure they'll platuea and pay will normalize.[/QUOTE]
so working 1000 hours a year at 200/300% pay and making what a legacy pilot makes by working a regular schedule is somehow ok with you? Got it. Say no more. You are not worth arguing with.
for the kid coming in January. It’s a stepping stone. Think of Allegiant vs. a regional, you’d probably rather go to Allegiant. Get some experience and move on
And if you are not careful, you’ll be fooled by a few making a lot of money (300k by picking up 300% pay of course), think it’s ok to stay, the company will pull away the incentive pay and you’ll be making 200k a year less than your friends that left. Everyone has a different situation. I’m in late 20s. I have a lot of time. If I was 60, I wouldn’t consider leaving.
Not to mention sinking ship with the A220 engine fiasco. Everyone needs to make a assessment of the place
so working 1000 hours a year at 200/300% pay and making what a legacy pilot makes by working a regular schedule is somehow ok with you? Got it. Say no more. You are not worth arguing with.
for the kid coming in January. It’s a stepping stone. Think of Allegiant vs. a regional, you’d probably rather go to Allegiant. Get some experience and move on
And if you are not careful, you’ll be fooled by a few making a lot of money (300k by picking up 300% pay of course), think it’s ok to stay, the company will pull away the incentive pay and you’ll be making 200k a year less than your friends that left. Everyone has a different situation. I’m in late 20s. I have a lot of time. If I was 60, I wouldn’t consider leaving.
Not to mention sinking ship with the A220 engine fiasco. Everyone needs to make a assessment of the place
12-24-2023, 05:02 PM
#4543
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,704
Why do I get the feeling you are management and not a pilot?
Normal line captains can’t make 300k here.
I have however heard of FOs at United and AA making that!
QUOTE
Most of it is all talk. Will a few leave? Yeah probably. But the reality is most Captains at Breeze will not walk away from that $300,000 paycheck. Yes - captains are clearing well above $300,000 holding a line. Reserve, not so much.
"It's better than the regionals and my previous job" - until I stop hearing that in the cockpit, nothing here will change.
MEDIOCRITY is the enemy of the Breeze pilot group. It's ok to want to stay at Breeze because you live in base, decent pay, etc... It's not ok to settle.
I love living in base as much as the next guy, but if you truley believe Breeze will be rooted in your city forever, that is a MAJOR risk to take. "I'm willing to take the risk and ride it out to the end" - don't come crying when the hiring waves have all passed in 5-10 years and Breeze closes the CHS or TPA base under new management. DN won't be there to put you on LCR instead of displacement.
Normal line captains can’t make 300k here.
I have however heard of FOs at United and AA making that!
QUOTE
Most of it is all talk. Will a few leave? Yeah probably. But the reality is most Captains at Breeze will not walk away from that $300,000 paycheck. Yes - captains are clearing well above $300,000 holding a line. Reserve, not so much.
"It's better than the regionals and my previous job" - until I stop hearing that in the cockpit, nothing here will change.
MEDIOCRITY is the enemy of the Breeze pilot group. It's ok to want to stay at Breeze because you live in base, decent pay, etc... It's not ok to settle.
I love living in base as much as the next guy, but if you truley believe Breeze will be rooted in your city forever, that is a MAJOR risk to take. "I'm willing to take the risk and ride it out to the end" - don't come crying when the hiring waves have all passed in 5-10 years and Breeze closes the CHS or TPA base under new management. DN won't be there to put you on LCR instead of displacement.
A legacy narrow body Captain flying overtime can easily make 5-600K with profit sharing and excess on the 17% retirement contribution.
12-24-2023, 06:21 PM
#4544
On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 14
Management PR?
only if they are sacrificing their soul and working to the max, picking up crit pay flights and with their phone in their hand on redial 24/7
why would any management be active to need to defend this on Christmas Eve?
Next Breeze captain you see/fly with, politely ask to see their workday earnings. If you held any type of line in 2023, Spring/Summer OVERTIME absolutely pushed most near/over $300,000. Also, I never said reserve guys were making $300k... obviously. At Breeze, you actually can count on Spring/Summer OT for the foreseable future because of growth mode. Long term? I'm sure they'll platuea and pay will normalize.[/QUOTE]
why would any management be active to need to defend this on Christmas Eve?
Next Breeze captain you see/fly with, politely ask to see their workday earnings. If you held any type of line in 2023, Spring/Summer OVERTIME absolutely pushed most near/over $300,000. Also, I never said reserve guys were making $300k... obviously. At Breeze, you actually can count on Spring/Summer OT for the foreseable future because of growth mode. Long term? I'm sure they'll platuea and pay will normalize.[/QUOTE]
12-24-2023, 06:46 PM
#4545
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 5
Next Breeze captain you see/fly with, politely ask to see their workday earnings. If you held any type of line in 2023, Spring/Summer OVERTIME absolutely pushed most near/over $300,000. Also, I never said reserve guys were making $300k... obviously. At Breeze, you actually can count on Spring/Summer OT for the foreseable future because of growth mode. Long term? I'm sure they'll platuea and pay will normalize.
for the kid coming in January. It’s a stepping stone. Think of Allegiant vs. a regional, you’d probably rather go to Allegiant. Get some experience and move on
And if you are not careful, you’ll be fooled by a few making a lot of money (300k by picking up 300% pay of course), think it’s ok to stay, the company will pull away the incentive pay and you’ll be making 200k a year less than your friends that left. Everyone has a different situation. I’m in late 20s. I have a lot of time. If I was 60, I wouldn’t consider leaving.
Not to mention sinking ship with the A220 engine fiasco. Everyone needs to make a assessment of the place[/QUOTE]
Been a Captain at Breeze nearly 2 years and making nowhere near 300k..... the majority of us will be near the 200k mark. 2 years at this joint has been good for the experince. but thats about it, Breeze is a step up above a regional and a stepping stone to a major... Myself and a quite a few other captains will be jumping ship over the next few months to a legacy, at lest 7 of us. If your on FO at a regional looking at moving on. Command at Breeze looks brilliant on your Resume. I have 3 CJOs at the 3 Majors as a result of being at an LCC.
12-24-2023, 08:58 PM
#4546
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 418
Congratulations on moving on and best of luck.
12-25-2023, 07:12 AM
#4547
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Joined APC: Mar 2023
Posts: 354
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