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Old 12-19-2019, 09:48 PM
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Except Delta has those planes too.
There's are probably in productive service with an 18 hour daily utilization. Still only one company and one with high margins. His other option is a market with RJ, or a high denisity LLC.
Maybe he plans to poach Skywest mechanics, pilots, schedulers, fa's, and others. They probably have a well trained presence there.
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There's are probably in productive service with an 18 hour daily utilization. Still only one company and one with high margins. His other option is a market with RJ, or a high denisity LLC.
Maybe he plans to poach Skywest mechanics, pilots, schedulers, fa's, and others. They probably have a well trained presence there.
A big part of this is that he's choosing to headquarter out of a city where Delta not only has a large presence, but already bases the aircraft he is hoping to use to advantage over other carriers due to the lower CASM. It just seems like one of the worst possible choices of location since Delta can easily put the same aircraft on the same routes.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
A big part of this is that he's choosing to headquarter out of a city where Delta not only has a large presence, but already bases the aircraft he is hoping to use to advantage over other carriers due to the lower CASM. It just seems like one of the worst possible choices of location since Delta can easily put the same aircraft on the same routes.
Just because HQ is there doesn’t mean that will be a major city in their route structure.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:43 PM
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Just because HQ is there doesn’t mean that will be a major city in their route structure.
Exactly. I think it's all about taxes. Not routes
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:50 PM
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I’ll say it again. Pilot pay never made or broke an airline. Highest labor cost at an airline but tiny cost in running an airline.
Never said made or broke, but even if everyone is on the same pay scale a new startup where everyone is starting at year one has a considerable personnel cost advantage over a legacy with a more mature work force.

Assuming both have the Delta A220 pay scale, the difference between a crew composed of a six year captain and three year FO compared to a first year captain and FO is still ~ $120/hr.

Assuming 10 hrs utilization a day 365 days a year, that’s North of $400k per aircraft per year which for a 60 aircraft fleet would be $24 million annually.

Make or break? Probably not, but neither is the $24 million exactly chicken feed either.
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Never said made or broke, but even if everyone is on the same pay scale a new startup where everyone is starting at year one has a considerable personnel cost advantage over a legacy with a more mature work force.

Assuming both have the Delta A220 pay scale, the difference between a crew composed of a six year captain and three year FO compared to a first year captain and FO is still ~ $120/hr.

Assuming 10 hrs utilization a day 365 days a year, that’s North of $400k per aircraft per year which for a 60 aircraft fleet would be $24 million annually.

Make or break? Probably not, but neither is the $24 million exactly chicken feed either.
For Delta right now, that's close to being a rounding error.
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Old 12-20-2019, 11:14 AM
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For Delta right now, that's close to being a rounding error.
For Delta, sure, but we are talking about a startup 60 aircraft fleet employing perhaps 750 pilots, not a 900 aircraft fleet employing almost 15000 pilots.
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For Delta, sure, but we are talking about a startup 60 aircraft fleet employing perhaps 750 pilots, not a 900 aircraft fleet employing almost 15000 pilots.
No, we are talking about how much more competitive they would be with the lower pilot costs. The numbers are not significant.
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No, we are talking about how much more competitive they would be with the lower pilot costs. The numbers are not significant.
Ridiculous. Upscale those numbers to a Delta fleet 20 times as big and it is a half billion dollars annually. Delta profit for 2018 as given in their annual report:

ATLANTA, Jan. 15, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL) today reported financial results for the December quarter and full year 2018. Highlights of those results, including both GAAP and adjusted metrics, are below and incorporated here.

Adjusted pre-tax income for the December quarter 2018 was $1.2 billion driven by over $700 million of revenue growth, allowing the company to fully recapture the $508 million increase in adjusted fuel expense and produce an 11 percent adjusted pre-tax margin.

For the full year, adjusted pre-tax income was $5.1 billion, a $137 million decrease relative to 2017 as the company overcame approximately 90 percent of the $2 billion increase in fuel expense. Full year adjusted earnings per share were $5.65, up 19 percent compared to the prior year as the company recognized benefits from tax reform and a four percent lower share count
A half billion dollar difference in an annual income of $5.1 Billion does not constitute chump change, whether you will ever admit it or not.
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Ridiculous. Upscale those numbers to a Delta fleet 20 times as big and it is a half billion dollars annually. Delta profit for 2018 as given in their annual report:



A half billion dollar difference in an annual income of $5.1 Billion does not constitute chump change, whether you will ever admit it or not.
Nor does income constitute profit. After income you have to subtract your expenses. Only then do you have profit.
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