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Old 12-17-2019, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I'm sure he picked Utah because they offered him a tax break.
That is where he started with Morris Air, and he is an LDS.
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Aren’t they also a right-to-work state and not fond of unions, ala SKW?
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Old 12-17-2019, 01:12 PM
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Morris Air side lite, his rez system consisted of bath robed house wives at the kitchen table. Look for some unusual twists to the business.
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Morris Air side lite, his rez system consisted of bath robed house wives at the kitchen table. Look for some unusual twists to the business.
Bathrobed milfs in the hotels?
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From https://www.businessinsider.com/jetb...-travel-2019-4

Neeleman obviously has been successful in the past, but really? Hundreds and hundred of city pairs crying out for non-stop flights?


These days, the charismatic businessman is developing his fifth major airline startup. Once again, Neeleman is looking to fill a market niche left open by others in the industry.

Code-named Moxy, his next endeavor wants to transform low-cost air travel for smaller cities in the US in very much the same way Azul did in Brazil. According to Neeleman, as costs increase for airlines, they have a tendency to retrench their network to focus on their hubs and operate larger planes. Thereby leaving behind smaller, less trafficked destinations.

"We think there's a market where you can go with a smaller plane with a lower trip cost and service these cities that have been forgotten or neglected," he said.

Neeleman posits that there are enough neglected routes in the US that his new airline could grow substantially without any direct competition.

"I would be very surprised if a single Moxy route had nonstop service competition," he told us. "There are literally hundreds and hundreds of city pairs that are crying out for nonstop flights."
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Originally Posted by fasteddie800
From https://www.businessinsider.com/jetb...-travel-2019-4

Neeleman obviously has been successful in the past, but really? Hundreds and hundred of city pairs crying out for non-stop flights?

https://math.stackexchange.com/quest...le-can/1235083


It doesn’t take a whole lot if cities to generate “hundreds and hundreds of city pairs.”

The pairing calculation involves factorials (N!) which get pretty huge pretty quickly.

It’s sort of like the birthday paradox: if you get only 23 randomly chosen people together the likelihood of two of them having the same birthday (day not year) is about 50%, just because there are such an incredibly large number of pairs you can generate from 23 people.

Hundreds and hundreds of city pairs can rather easily be generated by only a little over a dozen cities. The issue may be more one of demand and how frequently (or infrequently) the flights to some (or all) of those pairings can run and still turn a profit.
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I'm sure he picked Utah because they offered him a tax break.
and Delta has high margins to compete with, and it's a long way from anywhere which is suppose to be how that plane competes. He has to worry about 321 seat cost, and RJ total trip cost. Seems like his basically trying to build a business in between a 76 seat RJ and 128 seat 319.
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
and Delta has high margins to compete with, and it's a long way from anywhere which is suppose to be how that plane competes. He has to worry about 321 seat cost, and RJ total trip cost. Seems like his basically trying to build a business in between a 76 seat RJ and 128 seat 319.
Except Delta has those planes too.
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Except Delta has those planes too.
Yeah. Except the average guy - ineitherseat - on his first year at Moxy/Breeze will be at year one on the pay scale. What year are the average Delta CA and FO?
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Yeah. Except the average guy - ineitherseat - on his first year at Moxy/Breeze will be at year one on the pay scale. What year are the average Delta CA and FO?
I’ll say it again. Pilot pay never made or broke an airline. Highest labor cost at an airline but tiny cost in running an airline.
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