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Old 11-23-2019, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
From the time Jet Blue was incorporated in Aug 1998 until it was awarded an operating certificate in Feb 2000 was 19 months. Seeing as how a name hasn’t been picked yet and their A220s are not yet due to be delivered, saying the airline is behind schedule seems a little premature.
Using the A220s as a reference doesn't work as well when he said he wants to start next year with E190s he is supposedly set to acquire from Azul.
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Old 11-24-2019, 04:45 PM
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Any contact information on the players putting Moxy together ? PM me if necessary ...
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Any contact information on the players putting Moxy together ? PM me if necessary ...
You're going to make an angel investment?
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:22 AM
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if they want to start up next year, whens the application window open?
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Old 11-25-2019, 10:53 AM
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Using the A220s as a reference doesn't work as well when he said he wants to start next year with E190s he is supposedly set to acquire from Azul.
No, but it amounts to the same thing, since the E-190s he proposes using are only available as their replacement E-195-E2s are delivered to Azul, so he can’t start up any faster than the E-190s are available which depends on the Azul E-195-E2 deliveries.

Azul was the launch customer getting their first aircraft 30 Sept or so. They are scheduled to get five by the end of this year (out of 51 ordered) and even if that happens (I think they have two now) by the time you do conformity checks and stuff on the E-190s being pulled from Azul and get them US registered you are probably looking at summer before you’d have enough people and planes to even consider starting revenue service.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
No, but it amounts to the same thing, since the E-190s he proposes using are only available as their replacement E-195-E2s are delivered to Azul, so he can’t start up any faster than the E-190s are available which depends on the Azul E-195-E2 deliveries.

Azul was the launch customer getting their first aircraft 30 Sept or so. They are scheduled to get five by the end of this year (out of 51 ordered) and even if that happens (I think they have two now) by the time you do conformity checks and stuff on the E-190s being pulled from Azul and get them US registered you are probably looking at summer before you’d have enough people and planes to even consider starting revenue service.
Not nearly the same thing as the E190s will be available a year or more before the 220s.
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Old 11-25-2019, 03:28 PM
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Not nearly the same thing as the E190s will be available a year or more before the 220s.
It is the same thing in that the availability of the E190s is still the limiting factor, just as the availability of the A220s is the limiting factor had the E190s not been available. You STILL cannot start much of any airline service without airliners.
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Seems like the best option is for Moxy to die on the vine. No market and no need for another under-cutter bottom
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Seems like the best option is for Moxy to die on the vine. No market and no need for another under-cutter bottom
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Queueing theory would suggest that the hub and spoke model is far less efficient than the alternative Moxy hopes to exploit. If that is in fact correct, it will open new markets - albeit partially at the expense of hub and spoke carriers. Overall though it should be good for commercial aviation - assuming of course the model DOES work.

And if it doesn’t there ought to be 60 used A220s available at a steep discount.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
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Queueing theory would suggest that the hub and spoke model is far less efficient than the alternative Moxy hopes to exploit. If that is in fact correct, it will open new markets - albeit partially at the expense of hub and spoke carriers. Overall though it should be good for commercial aviation - assuming of course the model DOES work.

And if it doesn’t there ought to be 60 used A220s available at a steep discount.
What are they doing different than what spirit and frontier are doing? They do point to point flying in plenty of smaller secondary markets.
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