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Rcordeiro122592 01-23-2023 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by shortspatula (Post 3577371)
Not really. You know you have something good when passengers are thanking you right there on the plane for being there. It’s one of those products where if you try it, you’re going to come back. This year the company is planning on focusing making the experience more consistent. There have definitely been growing pains. But overall, it’s a product people like. January is a slow month but for last several months most flights I’ve had had been mostly full.


thanks for the insight! I’m trying to make the decision to go to Breeze from a LCC (I know usually not the typical career direction) pending how quickly I can upgrade and get PVD as a base.

bonvoyage 01-23-2023 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Rcordeiro122592 (Post 3576971)
Is there any concerns with Breezes profitability, there are a couple articles floating around saying Breeze is burning through cash and Avelo is the more likely candidate to make it.

Well don’t be shy, link the article!!!

Initial investment costs of starting an airline are HUGE. So it’s obvious that Breeze is burning through cash. Avelo is most likely doing the same. The difference between the two is that Breeze has built a charter business on the side and it is actually doing well. Very well. The profit margin on charter is huge, and that money funds the airlines growth.

Flyby1206 01-23-2023 05:36 AM

Worst case scenario Breeze goes BK and gets bought by a bigger airline looking to grow. Planes and pilots will go to the new carrier.

Scottkirby 01-23-2023 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3577429)
Well don’t be shy, link the article!!!

Initial investment costs of starting an airline are HUGE. So it’s obvious that Breeze is burning through cash. Avelo is most likely doing the same. The difference between the two is that Breeze has built a charter business on the side and it is actually doing well. Very well. The profit margin on charter is huge, and that money funds the airlines growth.

-110% profit margin.....

https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...mising-outlook

BobbyLeeSwagger 01-23-2023 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3577437)
Worst case scenario Breeze goes BK and gets bought by a bigger airline looking to grow. Planes and pilots will go to the new carrier.

The worst case is it ceases operations unexpectedly and you're out of a job. You'll likely get hired somewhere quickly but losing the breeze bet will put you several thousand numbers behind at your next carrier. Don't assume you'll just be bought and merged, or even stapled.

ExperimentalAB 01-23-2023 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3577437)
Worst case scenario Breeze goes BK and gets bought by a bigger airline looking to grow. Planes and pilots will go to the new carrier.

Don’t make life-choices with this kind of logic.

Bluetruth 01-23-2023 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3577437)
Worst case scenario Breeze goes BK and gets bought by a bigger airline looking to grow. Planes and pilots will go to the new carrier.

Breeze does not have much in the way of assets to speak to a buy out. Slots? no Gates? no Long time customer base? no

Better to let it die and pick up scraps at a fire sale (including the Pilots at year zero pay)

BBKS 01-23-2023 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3575757)
4-5 months, but the training dept. is trying to get that timeline down. It was about 70 days when I came though in 2021. That’s the target they’re trying to get back to.


Hoping someone can answer my following questions..

How long is indoc, systems?
How many FTD's & Sims?

j12770 01-23-2023 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Talkinsmack (Post 3576762)
Commuting on the A220 sucks, but if you live in base it’s great! Those lucky enough to be able to move to a base are very happy. Seniority is relative. Every new hire is at the bottom. But with the number of planes on order your seniority will go up quickly. Tpa is senior so you will be junior there, but as we get more planes, junior seniority becomes senior rather quickly. We added roughly 200 pilots last year, probably more than that this year. So look at percentages.

Again commuting can be done just takes your days off away. Once in base even on reserve your home!

The plane is amazing, the people are great, just the trips are not commutable yet. You have to get to the base a day earlier and leave a day after.

In base: the trips are highly efficient flying day. 15 hrs 2 day trips with a 24 hr layover pretty great!

The company has to fix it or they will loose a lot of pilots this year


Thank you for the info!! My ultimate plan is to get the TPA base and ride out commuting on the A220 and build seniority. I’m pretty excited, not sure what I would do if I got the E190/195 though. Probably wouldn’t be for me. When do you find out?

On day 6 of an 18 day rotation 🫠… Keep seeing Breeze A220’s. When can I start lol

j12770 01-23-2023 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose (Post 3576964)
What this guy said. Apply at F9 (TPA JR). In the mean time, take the class date at Breeze. If you get the 190, update your apps with breeze on there and f9 will call. If you get the 220 drop, stay home in tpa and watch the seniority list grow below you (if we can keep hiring). Congrats and welcome.

Good call on the 190 plan. Not sure that’s really doable living in Tampa. When exactly do you find out what machine?


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