AF2AL

It was just getting started but could've been whatever the pilots decided they wanted it to be. No different than SWAPA when they started.

Just because management doesn't want the pilots unionized doesn't mean it can't be beneficial for both parties. Running things through the middleman (ALPA) requires a large amount of extra time and money that could be saved by keeping things in house.


Sure am. Everyone that voted is either a captain or in the right seat by choice. Some guys fly 10-11 days a month and credit 85-90 hours and some pick up extra flying for 300%. There are plenty of instances of pilots making north of 30K a month. In addition, every pilot gets an extra $2k each month which can be used tax free for work related expenses or cashed out if you choose not to use it.

chrisreedrules

Welcome fellow labor enthusiasts.

At an airline the size of Breeze that is starting from scratch your ALPA will be exactly what YOU make it. Not a fan of ALPA at your prior carriers? Good. Now you know what not to do here.

2% is nothing in comparison to the benefits of being ALPA. I honestly can’t even believe the poster on the other page moaning about 2%

Access to group term life, disability, loss of medical etc.

Access to ALPA’s legal team, negotiators, and decades upon decades of experience working in every facet imaginable. Not to mention access to your brothers at labor organizations industry-wide via collective bargaining round tables, safety events, etc. It is especially a great deal for airlines the size of Breeze. You will likely COST ALPA more money than you contribute in terms of the resources that you will require. Especially as you negotiate your first CBA. 2%! That 2% though! Give me a break.

BobbyLeeSwagger

Well said, ChrisRR. Don't buy the Stockholm syndrome, Breezybois! It's not your job to give breeze a chance through having no representation or access to union resources to better your compensation and benefits! You're ALREADY giving breeze a huge chance by just being there during the biggest hiring wave in 25 yrs! That's already a huge career risk and concession!! You ought to be well compensated for every seniority number at another carrier you are giving up every day!

Some of you who I count friends have left behind literally thousands of seniority numbers at other carriers in the past yr to give Breeze a chance. How bout "givemeabreak.com!"

It's your union, it's time to cut through the empty promises and demand what you are worth.

hotmicoffNOW

Found Neeleman’s burner account

Swapapotamoose

This guy gets it! BLS for president.

fly4fun14

BLS you hit the nail on the head, well said.

Probably way to early to ask this question, but best guesses as to when a TA would come out?

shortspatula

I can see both sides to the issue, it must complicate things a lot more as a startup having to deal with unions and also the vote wasn’t very unanimous, but at the end of the day 99% of the pilots at the large operations are unionized now so this shouldn’t come as a shock to management. The whole “let’s all get together” and think about the greater good of the company only goes so far when it comes to the pilot labor. We’re not contractors and want to see Breeze succeed but there needs to be certain standards set. Knowing ALPA though, things won’t change much for a while. ALPA does very well when your company has tons of money, not so well when they don’t…. In fact, it will take longer to get improvements now especially with the lawsuit and the fact that management can stall negotiations. Might not be such a bad thing for them in the short term anyways. The only thing that’s certain is that some day they will have to pay, with the BPC not so much.

BobbyLeeSwagger

I think the bigger issue will be getting some unity in the ranks. The vote was pretty split, obviously, so you guys gotta sort that out. You're already getting union busted by the company so consider that. Not very "nice." If you don't have unity, you don't have a chance imo.

shortspatula

Amerijet voted for ALPA late 2020. As of today new 767 CAs still making like 140 bucks an hour, so yea it might take a while to get an agreement.

chrisreedrules

apples and oranges. Breeze needs a contract more than the pilots. The metal doesn’t move if there’s no pilots to fly it. By next summer all of the legacies and major airlines will be competing for 1500 hour pilots, not just regional pilots. Then what will Breeze do? Even a recession will just buy them a little bit extra time. Short of another black swan event the train has left the station for needing pilots to cover all these retirements. And that will generate a lot of competition for pilots over the next few years industry-wide.

I think Neeleman called this scenario wrong, and now he’s just trying to salvage the pieces.