[Breeze] Airways
#1781
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
You are probably the dude that calls a game over after the other team score on the first drive of the game.
I don't get why all these guys on here from bigger and better airlines feel the need to jump on and crap on guys making less with a lower QOL. It's not Jetblue it's not Delta we get it, but why does it matter? How could anyone here sit there and say what's right for someone who they have never met? The airline I'm currently at is miles better than mesa, does that mean I should get on a mesa board and start crapping on them?
I don't get why all these guys on here from bigger and better airlines feel the need to jump on and crap on guys making less with a lower QOL. It's not Jetblue it's not Delta we get it, but why does it matter? How could anyone here sit there and say what's right for someone who they have never met? The airline I'm currently at is miles better than mesa, does that mean I should get on a mesa board and start crapping on them?
#1783
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,584
A rising tide lifts all boats. And the converse is true. When someone else comes in and brings down industry 190/195/223 rates, it affects everyone else in negotiations. Just like when Eagle held strong and didn’t accept a concessionary contract, then PSA accepted that same crap contract, everyone got ****ed at PSA. That, and everyone else has to compete against your business that pays substandard wages and therefore has an unfair edge. It’s just another one of those “race to the bottom” things, with “we are just a struggling start up” as the excuse. Same historical playbook. Just writing a new chapter for what should be the second volume of Flying the Line. Don’t fault people for going there. It’s better than a regional. But big picture, kind of screws the industry.
Accepting sub-standard contracts hinders the whole industry, not just your own airline. So when someone like Breeze comes up and flies mainline equipment at regional pay, yes, everyone can and should be slightly miffed by it. Next time jetBlue negotiates, they will use Breeze as their comparator.
#1784
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,278
latest great example of pattern bargaining is the atlas arbitration. The company used mesa as a "comparable" because they now have 737 flying, and obviously their contract is total trash.
Accepting sub-standard contracts hinders the whole industry, not just your own airline. So when someone like breeze comes up and flies mainline equipment at regional pay, yes, everyone can and should be slightly miffed by it. Next time jetblue negotiates, they will use breeze as their comparator.
Accepting sub-standard contracts hinders the whole industry, not just your own airline. So when someone like breeze comes up and flies mainline equipment at regional pay, yes, everyone can and should be slightly miffed by it. Next time jetblue negotiates, they will use breeze as their comparator.
but 12 year payyyyy
#1785
Gets his house in order
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 315
*Cough* bunch of skywest people *CoUggHhh*
#1786
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 28
#1787
Moderator
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Posts: 3,199
#1788
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2021
Posts: 39
A rising tide lifts all boats. And the converse is true. When someone else comes in and brings down industry 190/195/223 rates, it affects everyone else in negotiations. Just like when Eagle held strong and didn’t accept a concessionary contract, then PSA accepted that same crap contract, everyone got ****ed at PSA. That, and everyone else has to compete against your business that pays substandard wages and therefore has an unfair edge. It’s just another one of those “race to the bottom” things, with “we are just a struggling start up” as the excuse. Same historical playbook. Just writing a new chapter for what should be the second volume of Flying the Line. Don’t fault people for going there. It’s better than a regional. But big picture, kind of screws the industry.
Side note, people who get on here and feel the need to correct simple grammatical errors to sound smarter weren't hugs as children, change my mind.
#1789
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2021
Posts: 39
#1790
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
What does a 2nd year and beyond UPS pilot make? More than any breeze pilot will make for the next decade on your current pay scales. Just goes to show how out of touch you guys are. Fwiw though, that’s not how contract comparisons and pattern bargaining go. First year pay is almost irrelevant. It’s the other 11-14 that matter. Bravo to the breeze recruiters though. Your crew meals could literally be a turd sandwich and some of y’all will find a way to defend it and talk it up.
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