[Breeze] Airways
#1661
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The only thing DN is underestimating is what the mainline carriers might do to staff their regionals. AA has already started with lucrative bonus deals at Envoy. Its all in how the recruiting is done and Breeze doesn’t yet have the cash flow and capital to match the established airlines.
#1663
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
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#1664
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#1665
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
You mean your 2020-2027 pay rates are the same as a 2000 era startup’s, back when nobody else was really hiring, people were getting furloughed, and there was an abundant supply of pilots willing to work for peanuts at regionals and peanuts + $1 at anything that wasn’t a regional? Not a great comparison when literally every other major is hiring and many have massive retirements, and upward pressure exists on wages, and regionals are throwing money out there like it grows on trees trying to hold on to people…back in the jetblue startup days there were still pay to play schemes and people were working for free. Also, the low pay for the early jetblue guys was made up for with an IOU (aka stock options) that were part of the compensation package. Not to be confused with the “hey why don’t you guys pay us your hard earned money and buy stock in Breeze” ploy you guys got (hope it works out for you guys who participated…guessing it will). So, if “jetblue adjusted for inflation” is what they are telling you guys to try to keep you happy, and you’re buying it without looking at the bigger picture, well, not sure what else to tell ya. 2020s are not the same as 2000-2001 in the pilot wage world, even adjusted for inflation.
#1666
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Joined APC: Sep 2021
Posts: 39
You mean your 2020-2027 pay rates are the same as a 2000 era startup’s, back when nobody else was really hiring, people were getting furloughed, and there was an abundant supply of pilots willing to work for peanuts at regionals and peanuts + $1 at anything that wasn’t a regional? Not a great comparison when literally every other major is hiring and many have massive retirements, and upward pressure exists on wages, and regionals are throwing money out there like it grows on trees trying to hold on to people…back in the jetblue startup days there were still pay to play schemes and people were working for free. Also, the low pay for the early jetblue guys was made up for with an IOU (aka stock options) that were part of the compensation package. Not to be confused with the “hey why don’t you guys pay us your hard earned money and buy stock in Breeze” ploy you guys got (hope it works out for you guys who participated…guessing it will). So, if “jetblue adjusted for inflation” is what they are telling you guys to try to keep you happy, and you’re buying it without looking at the bigger picture, well, not sure what else to tell ya. 2020s are not the same as 2000-2001 in the pilot wage world, even adjusted for inflation.
#1669
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
Looking at 12 year payrates at a startup seems far fetched and honestly depressing, because you would be admitting they are not getting a contract in the next 12 years.
#1670
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 28
Maybe I should apply to continental, TWA, Northwestern, U.S. Airways. Spirit, jetblue, and frontier will be the legacy killers.
Know one knows which direction this industry will go.
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