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Old 09-29-2021, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ElCaribe
The only thing DN is underestimating is what the mainline carriers might do to staff their regionals. AA has already started with lucrative bonus deals at Envoy. Its all in how the recruiting is done and Breeze doesn’t yet have the cash flow and capital to match the established airlines.
Do they have the cash flow to give their crews free water? It's bad either way you answer that
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Old 09-29-2021, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
congrats on being able to jumpseat i guess
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Old 09-29-2021, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
congrats on being able to jumpseat i guess

😂😂 That's also funny. I simply mentioned that because there were a couple of naysayers here who said it would "take years" to get Agreements with mainline. That's all. I do appreciate your humor, though..
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
I didn't think there was an airline in the US that payed as low as Breeze (including benefits). Who pays worse than Breeze?
our rates are literally the same as JetBlue’s were adjusted for Inflation.
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Old 09-29-2021, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tpinks
our rates are literally the same as JetBlue’s were adjusted for Inflation.
You mean your 2020-2027 pay rates are the same as a 2000 era startup’s, back when nobody else was really hiring, people were getting furloughed, and there was an abundant supply of pilots willing to work for peanuts at regionals and peanuts + $1 at anything that wasn’t a regional? Not a great comparison when literally every other major is hiring and many have massive retirements, and upward pressure exists on wages, and regionals are throwing money out there like it grows on trees trying to hold on to people…back in the jetblue startup days there were still pay to play schemes and people were working for free. Also, the low pay for the early jetblue guys was made up for with an IOU (aka stock options) that were part of the compensation package. Not to be confused with the “hey why don’t you guys pay us your hard earned money and buy stock in Breeze” ploy you guys got (hope it works out for you guys who participated…guessing it will). So, if “jetblue adjusted for inflation” is what they are telling you guys to try to keep you happy, and you’re buying it without looking at the bigger picture, well, not sure what else to tell ya. 2020s are not the same as 2000-2001 in the pilot wage world, even adjusted for inflation.
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Old 09-29-2021, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
You mean your 2020-2027 pay rates are the same as a 2000 era startup’s, back when nobody else was really hiring, people were getting furloughed, and there was an abundant supply of pilots willing to work for peanuts at regionals and peanuts + $1 at anything that wasn’t a regional? Not a great comparison when literally every other major is hiring and many have massive retirements, and upward pressure exists on wages, and regionals are throwing money out there like it grows on trees trying to hold on to people…back in the jetblue startup days there were still pay to play schemes and people were working for free. Also, the low pay for the early jetblue guys was made up for with an IOU (aka stock options) that were part of the compensation package. Not to be confused with the “hey why don’t you guys pay us your hard earned money and buy stock in Breeze” ploy you guys got (hope it works out for you guys who participated…guessing it will). So, if “jetblue adjusted for inflation” is what they are telling you guys to try to keep you happy, and you’re buying it without looking at the bigger picture, well, not sure what else to tell ya. 2020s are not the same as 2000-2001 in the pilot wage world, even adjusted for inflation.
With that being said it's still better pay than my current regional. I just don't see the harm in making more money whole still waiting to go to a better airline. Don't jwt me wrong jetblue would be awesome but unfortunately they don't want me right now. 🤷
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Old 09-29-2021, 06:55 PM
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185 an hour to be home every night and not see LGA again. Throw me in that briar patch.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AUpilot75
185 an hour to be home every night and not see LGA again. Throw me in that briar patch.
I wonder how many pilots are on 12 year pay.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AUpilot75
185 an hour to be home every night and not see LGA again. Throw me in that briar patch.
You mean 117 an hour. The most senior CA at Breeze is on year 1 pay.

Looking at 12 year payrates at a startup seems far fetched and honestly depressing, because you would be admitting they are not getting a contract in the next 12 years.
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Old 09-29-2021, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
You mean 117 an hour. The most senior CA at Breeze is on year 1 pay.

Looking at 12 year payrates at a startup seems far fetched and honestly depressing, because you would be admitting they are not getting a contract in the next 12 years.

Maybe I should apply to continental, TWA, Northwestern, U.S. Airways. Spirit, jetblue, and frontier will be the legacy killers.
Know one knows which direction this industry will go.
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