Climategate
09-25-2019, 05:43 AM
#431
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Have a teen sail a boat across the Atlantic for 2+ weeks. Not risky at all.
Make an impassioned speech. Big on proclamations. Small on specifics. Says her dreams and future have been stolen.
Voluntarily doesn’t go to school on Fridays.
Couldn’t she have just video teleconferenced the UN on a big screen to make her point that a lot of travel is unnecessary?
(Yes. But she didn’t.)
Curious how she got returned to Sweden.
The New Yorker reported she was wearing Crocs. Aren’t they made of petroleum?
Make an impassioned speech. Big on proclamations. Small on specifics. Says her dreams and future have been stolen.
Voluntarily doesn’t go to school on Fridays.
Couldn’t she have just video teleconferenced the UN on a big screen to make her point that a lot of travel is unnecessary?
(Yes. But she didn’t.)
Curious how she got returned to Sweden.
The New Yorker reported she was wearing Crocs. Aren’t they made of petroleum?
Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 09-25-2019 at 07:32 AM.
09-25-2019, 08:46 AM
#432
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It’s entirely plausible that she’s being exploited, but it’s also entirely plausible that she isn’t. A 16-year old fearless enough to address world leaders in such a fashion, one who refers to her Asperger’s as a “superpower”, is certainly capable of following through with her own beliefs. But on the other hand, very few minors likely have the resources to sail across the Atlantic in a solar powered yacht, so there’s that.
As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.
As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.
However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.
As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.
As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.
However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.
09-26-2019, 01:35 AM
#433
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It’s entirely plausible that she’s being exploited, but it’s also entirely plausible that she isn’t. A 16-year old fearless enough to address world leaders in such a fashion, one who refers to her Asperger’s as a “superpower”, is certainly capable of following through with her own beliefs. But on the other hand, very few minors likely have the resources to sail across the Atlantic in a solar powered yacht, so there’s that.
As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.
As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.
However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.
As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.
As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.
However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.
09-26-2019, 05:28 AM
#434
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You're kidding yourself if you don't think she has a speech writer and an acting coach (her family is full of actors). I mean just watch her last outburst on TV, it's like she was auditioning. She is simply repeating back what some adult has told her to say. That someone simply found a perfect delivery platform (a child with Asperger's)...now world leaders will "have" to listen! Right? It also helps they found parents who were willing to let their child be exploited. She's right though, someone did steal here childhood, her parents and her financiers...
Oh ya, her family has recently written a book that's set to come out next year, I bet this will help their sales...
She's a puppet.
Oh ya, her family has recently written a book that's set to come out next year, I bet this will help their sales...
She's a puppet.
09-26-2019, 05:35 AM
#435
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You're kidding yourself if you don't think she has a speech writer and an acting coach (her family is full of actors). I mean just watch her last outburst on TV, it's like she was auditioning. She is simply repeating back what some adult has told her to say. That someone simply found a perfect delivery platform (a child with Asperger's)...now world leaders will "have" to listen! Right? It also helps they found parents who were willing to let their child be exploited. She's right though, someone did steal here childhood, her parents and her financiers...
Oh ya, her family has recently written a book that's set to come out next year, I bet this will help their sales...
She's a puppet.
Oh ya, her family has recently written a book that's set to come out next year, I bet this will help their sales...
She's a puppet.
So?
Even if she is she has done her job of getting people to talk about how humans are destroying the earth.
09-26-2019, 07:14 AM
#436
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It’s entirely plausible that she’s being exploited, but it’s also entirely plausible that she isn’t. A 16-year old fearless enough to address world leaders in such a fashion, one who refers to her Asperger’s as a “superpower”, is certainly capable of following through with her own beliefs. But on the other hand, very few minors likely have the resources to sail across the Atlantic in a solar powered yacht, so there’s that.
As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.
As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.
However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.
As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.
As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.
However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.
09-26-2019, 07:43 AM
#437
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Not a single one of the cataclysmic climate predictions made over the last 50 years has been correct. Ice ages, famines, droughts, extinctions, exhaustion of natural resources...predictions that have all come and went without as much as a blip in change to our lives.
Does anyone really think we have only 12 years left to live before the world consumes itself in a destructive inferno of climate disasters? This was already supposed to happen multiple times, and each time, the 'science was settled'. We had 'consensus.'
If we had 12 years "science-settled" notice of say, a life-ending asteroid headed directly for Earth, you can bet there would be a lot more action in place to find a way to sway our untimely fate. (Perhaps assembling a
spacecraft designed by the lowest bidder that will hand deliver a nuclear payload directly to the asteroids surface??
)
If climate change is such an imminent threat, we should be relocating people away from the coasts, by force if necessary, no one should be allowed to buy any more beach front property, insurance companies would not be willing to insure anyone living in coastal lowlands. Where are the leaders on this?
The world's leaders should be making impassioned pleas on the Asian continent to immediately reform their filthy ways or else face severe consequences; after all, the fate of humanity rests on it and we are mere years away from extinction. Would we be willing to go to war with the East in order to save the world?
Instead the countries that are the cleanest and making the most efforts get patronizingly lectured to by people that are singing the same old song that we've been hearing for decades. For some reason these lecturers are afraid to call-out the most egregious offenders of climate and environmental filth: the Asian continent. While we in the West spare the ocean of a fraction of fraction of a percent of waste in the form of our formerly legal plastic straws, China dumps tens of thousands of tons of waste into it's waters.
Instead, activists and politicians make a bunch of noise about this cause, but no one is actually putting change into their personal livelihoods. Still consuming petroleum products, still purchasing products produced in those most polluting of countries, flying around the world in private jets to 'conferences' about ways to make the environment healthier, and on and on. Why is that? It's either the greatest threat to humanity and we have mere years left to live or it's not. Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical when I see this.
It isn't "denial" or "believing". It's about skepticism.
Does anyone really think we have only 12 years left to live before the world consumes itself in a destructive inferno of climate disasters? This was already supposed to happen multiple times, and each time, the 'science was settled'. We had 'consensus.'
If we had 12 years "science-settled" notice of say, a life-ending asteroid headed directly for Earth, you can bet there would be a lot more action in place to find a way to sway our untimely fate. (Perhaps assembling a
spacecraft designed by the lowest bidder that will hand deliver a nuclear payload directly to the asteroids surface??
)If climate change is such an imminent threat, we should be relocating people away from the coasts, by force if necessary, no one should be allowed to buy any more beach front property, insurance companies would not be willing to insure anyone living in coastal lowlands. Where are the leaders on this?
The world's leaders should be making impassioned pleas on the Asian continent to immediately reform their filthy ways or else face severe consequences; after all, the fate of humanity rests on it and we are mere years away from extinction. Would we be willing to go to war with the East in order to save the world?
Instead the countries that are the cleanest and making the most efforts get patronizingly lectured to by people that are singing the same old song that we've been hearing for decades. For some reason these lecturers are afraid to call-out the most egregious offenders of climate and environmental filth: the Asian continent. While we in the West spare the ocean of a fraction of fraction of a percent of waste in the form of our formerly legal plastic straws, China dumps tens of thousands of tons of waste into it's waters.
Instead, activists and politicians make a bunch of noise about this cause, but no one is actually putting change into their personal livelihoods. Still consuming petroleum products, still purchasing products produced in those most polluting of countries, flying around the world in private jets to 'conferences' about ways to make the environment healthier, and on and on. Why is that? It's either the greatest threat to humanity and we have mere years left to live or it's not. Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical when I see this.
It isn't "denial" or "believing". It's about skepticism.
09-26-2019, 07:45 AM
#438
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Meh, there has been a lot of "settled science" over the years that have since been proven wrong. I'm all for building better technologies and being better to Earth. But she sure is doing a good job...of helping her financiers line their pockets.
09-26-2019, 09:32 AM
#439
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Whatever your thoughts on her there is simply no denying we treat the earth like a garbage can and are destroying it rapidly.
