Climategate
09-10-2018, 05:58 AM
#391
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Go back to your capacity charts. Wind and solar work but you need to generate some electricity when it is night and the wind isn’t blowing. Thus despite all of the new solar and wind capability coal capacity remains relatively stable. Nuclear is too expensive to compete with coal part time. Besides that solar and wind suck up all of the subsidy dollars. Try thinking not channeling algore.
09-10-2018, 06:46 AM
#392
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Testing this process is what led to Chernobyl blowing up. Anyways, Solar and wind are additional power sources, when they are available(wind blowing, sun shining)They can be added to the grid for excess power. However, this constant flux of power capacity creates price instability in the market. With the expense of Nuclear, these plants can not survive in a market of fluctuating prices. Only cheap coal/gas can be used for baseload in a solar/wind market.
09-10-2018, 07:33 AM
#394
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I appreciate the effort, but your argument still doesn't make sense. Markets including energy fluctuate all the time. Products' reliability and consistency are always part of pricing. Markets do a lousy job of accounting for negative economic externalities and new and not so new technologies including energy depend/benefit from government subsidies/support. You make a good case for the potential of nuclear, but don't seem to want to acknowledge its challenges while being anxious to do so for other clean technologies.
09-10-2018, 08:41 AM
#395
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I appreciate the effort, but your argument still doesn't make sense. Markets including energy fluctuate all the time. Products' reliability and consistency are always part of pricing. Markets do a lousy job of accounting for negative economic externalities and new and not so new technologies including energy depend/benefit from government subsidies/support. You make a good case for the potential of nuclear, but don't seem to want to acknowledge its challenges while being anxious to do so for other clean technologies.
There obviously is nothing I can say that will convince you that the left is running a green energy scam. However, we in the first world, exported our emissions to third world countries, we then promised billions to clean up our mess, but the money never arrived. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/w...l-warming.html
Instead it was funneled into the bank accounts of left wing venture capitalist firms, and to people who own them like Al Gore. The left then blames Trump, and the right for everything they did.
09-10-2018, 08:59 AM
#396
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Solar and wind are scams, if it were simply free market, we would only have coal and gas. The engineering world is telling you, if you want clean energy you need the government to run almost all nuclear, with some hydro where locations permit, in a not free market. The challenges of nuclear are nothing compared to the scam of wind and solar.
Stop projecting. The Republicans have all the levers of power. Make nuclear happen if the Dems were the problem.
09-10-2018, 02:02 PM
#397
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09-10-2018, 02:03 PM
#398
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They are not my arguments. They are those of the overwhelming scientific consensus not to mention common sense. As for your posts I can't recall any that have added much to this or any other APC discussion. Not exactly a "man in the arena."
Obvious and nonsensical BS deserves to called what it is.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Obvious and nonsensical BS deserves to called what it is.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
09-10-2018, 03:02 PM
#399
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Solar and wind are scams, if it were simply free market, we would only have coal and gas. The engineering world is telling you, if you want clean energy you need the government to run almost all nuclear, with some hydro where locations permit, in a not free market. The challenges of nuclear are nothing compared to the scam of wind and solar.
There obviously is nothing I can say that will convince you that the left is running a green energy scam. However, we in the first world, exported our emissions to third world countries, we then promised billions to clean up our mess, but the money never arrived. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/w...l-warming.html
Instead it was funneled into the bank accounts of left wing venture capitalist firms, and to people who own them like Al Gore. The left then blames Trump, and the right for everything they did.
There obviously is nothing I can say that will convince you that the left is running a green energy scam. However, we in the first world, exported our emissions to third world countries, we then promised billions to clean up our mess, but the money never arrived. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/w...l-warming.html
Instead it was funneled into the bank accounts of left wing venture capitalist firms, and to people who own them like Al Gore. The left then blames Trump, and the right for everything they did.
09-10-2018, 06:40 PM
#400
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Solar and wind are scams, if it were simply free market, we would only have coal and gas. The engineering world is telling you, if you want clean energy you need the government to run almost all nuclear, with some hydro where locations permit, in a not free market. The challenges of nuclear are nothing compared to the scam of wind and solar.
There obviously is nothing I can say that will convince you that the left is running a green energy scam. However, we in the first world, exported our emissions to third world countries, we then promised billions to clean up our mess, but the money never arrived. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/w...l-warming.html
Instead it was funneled into the bank accounts of left wing venture capitalist firms, and to people who own them like Al Gore. The left then blames Trump, and the right for everything they did.
There obviously is nothing I can say that will convince you that the left is running a green energy scam. However, we in the first world, exported our emissions to third world countries, we then promised billions to clean up our mess, but the money never arrived. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/w...l-warming.html
Instead it was funneled into the bank accounts of left wing venture capitalist firms, and to people who own them like Al Gore. The left then blames Trump, and the right for everything they did.
