aviatorhi

My 2007 discussion was a long a fledged out discussion that involved the FAA and various check airmen, phone calls and the such, to settle a bar bet. Funny how these things get researched sometimes. But in either case, if they want to change how it should be logged they should, that being said I've got plenty of PIC and SIC and FE, so I'm in no rush to find loopholes to use, just to know about them.

Phantom Flyer

I hate to jump in because there are as many different SOP's as there are aircarriers and pilots represented on this forum.

In my experience (FAR Part 121 and some 135), the PF (Pilot Flying) verbally commands the MCP panel inputs while flying the aircraft when the autopilot is NOT engaged. When the autopilot is engaged, the PF runs the MCP (flys the aircraft) and the PNF talks on the radio, orders the meals, drinks and at the Captain's discretion, provides entertainment in the form of a travel log for the passengers or the boxes for the cargo guys.

In most air carrier operations, only one pilot is "flying" the aircraft. Now that doesn't include raising the undercarriage, putting the flaps in the desired position, making FMC inputs, etc. Those activities are commanded by the PF or in the case of the FMC, "verified" and "OK'ed" by the PF.

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bernouli

absolutely not.

RJSAviator76

The SIC type holder needs to read the LIMITATION part of his/her license:

SIC Privileges Only

Seems pretty clear to me...

2StgTurbine

There are many threads on logging SIC and I don;t want to start a new one for my specific situation that others hinted at in this thread, so here it goes.

My boss wants me to head our new 135 operation but I have relatively low time for the position. My boss threw around the idea of building time with the owner, but I am not too sure about it. The owner has a CJ3 and I have many opportunities to fly with him. The problem is, he has a single pilot type rating. Does the fact that he is rated to fly the plane by himself prevent me from ever logging SIC in it?

BoilerUP

No, it does not.

Regardless if the PIC has a CE-525 or a CE-525S type rating, as long as he is 61.58 current in CE525 aircraft he can have a "legal" SIC who, at a minimum, meets the requirements of 61.55.

If the PIC is not 61.58 current, then he cannot have a "legal" SIC - all his copilots are legally passengers in the eyes of the FAA and as such would not be able to log anything.

This is true of any modern bizjet that has a "single pilot" type rating - CJs, Premiers, Phenoms, Eclipses, etc. can all be legally flown either single pilot or dual crewed with an SIC...but the PIC must be 61.58 current.

2StgTurbine

Thanks for the quick and positive response. My logbook will be much happier now.

BoilerUP

You're very welcome!

...just don't try to log PIC time in a jet you're only qualified to be an SIC on...<wink>

2StgTurbine

I wouldn't think of it. My logbook is very conservative (it turns out too conservative).

Cruz5350

Are you going to get SIC typed on the aircraft then? I'm assuming via 61.55 from a company DO?