TonyWilliams

I'm getting my ATP through my airline, and now it's time to get the logbooks in order.

I don't write the airline flying down into a paper log, so I have downloaded all my trips from my company, and put them in an Microsoft Excel log. After reviewing FAR part 61, it seems I need:

Date
Hours
Departure (I note it didn't say arrival)
Type A/C
A/C ID
Name of Safety Pilot (I just put in the Captains name for every leg)
Type experience... all mine is SIC
Conditions, Day or Night
Actual or Sim IMC

I plan on printing them out in 5"x7" landscape, to match my old logbooks, and stapling them together. Throwing it away when I'm done.

So, is there a rule that I have to sign every page? I can't find one. Or subtotal every page ? I'm not looking for "that's the way we've always done it", but a specific requirement.

Anything I left out above?

Suggestions ? I don't feel like showing up and having somebody having a hissy fit over my "logbook"

I will show the total time (need 1500), the PIC time, cross country time, and all the other specific times asked for in my grand totals.

Thanks all.

vagabond

After nearly going blind looking at 14 CFR 61 et seq, I found two portions that may be relevant to you:

Sec. 61.51 has this:

(h) Logging training time. (1) A person may log training time when that person receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device.

(2) The training time must be logged in a logbook and must:

(i) Be endorsed in a legible manner by the authorized instructor; and

(ii) Include a description of the training given, the length of the training lesson, and the authorized instructor's signature, certificate number, and certificate expiration date.

And then under 61.55 on SIC qualifications, it has this:

(7) There is no practical test required for the issuance of the “SIC Privileges Only” pilot type rating.

(e) A person may receive a second-in-command pilot type rating for the type of aircraft after satisfactorily completing an approved second-in-command training program, proficiency check, or competency check under subpart K of part 91, part 121, part 125, or part 135, as appropriate, in that type of aircraft provided the training was completed within the 12 calendar months before the month of application for the SIC pilot type rating. The person must comply with the following application and pilot certification procedures:

(1) The person who provided the training must sign the applicant's logbook or training record after each lesson in accordance with §61.51(h)(2) of this part. In lieu of the trainer, it is permissible for a qualified management official within the organization to sign the applicant's training records or logbook and make the required endorsement. The qualified management official must hold the position of Chief Pilot, Director of Training, Director of Operations, or another comparable management position within the organization that provided the training and must be in a position to verify the applicant's training records and that the training was given.

(2) The trainer or qualified management official must make an endorsement in the applicant's logbook that states “[Applicant's Name and Pilot Certificate Number] has demonstrated the skill and knowledge required for the safe operation of the [Type of Aircraft], relevant to the duties and responsibilities of a second in command.”

(3) If the applicant's flight experience and/or training records are in an electronic form, the applicant must provide a paper copy of those records containing the signature of the trainer or qualified management official to an FAA Flight Standards District Office, an Examiner, or an Aircrew Program Designee.

Neither one says the student has to sign. I also suggest you ask the your Chief Pilot or an Examiner or someone in the FAA to see if their answer jives with mine.

POPA

FAR 61.51: Pilot Logbooks

(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:

(1) General—

(i) Date.

(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.

(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.

(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device, as appropriate.

(v) The name of a safety pilot, if required by §91.109(b) of this chapter.

(2) Type of pilot experience or training—

(i) Solo.

(ii) Pilot in command.

(iii) Second in command.

(iv) Flight and ground training received from an authorized instructor.

(v) Training received in a flight simulator or flight training device from an authorized instructor.

(3) Conditions of flight—

(i) Day or night.

(ii) Actual instrument.

(iii) Simulated instrument conditions in flight, a flight simulator, or a flight training device.

You'll note that the arrival airport is most certainly required, especially if you'd like to log cross-country time.
When flying under Part 121, a safety pilot is not required (and is, in fact, illegal), so you do not need to include anybody else's name.

Qtip

Why don't you just call your training department and ask what is/what isn't acceptable?

ChadE

Would logging for ex: ATL-ATL (since i both left and arrived back in atl on a dayline for example) be accepted if i log the flight numbers and the complete route in the remarks section?

If that makes any sense at all