SIC in PC-12 part 135
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If that doesn't work, go to the TCDS search function in the Dynamic Regulatory Library (DRS), and enter the Type Certificate Data Sheet number provided by MajorDickasons above: A78EU, under TCDS:
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/TCDSMODEL/doctypeDetails
(Link provided)
Bear in mind that type certification for two pilots is not necessary for the SIC to log the time when carrying passengers under IFR, under 14 CFR Part 135.
Last edited by JohnBurke; 06-28-2024 at 08:07 AM.
#13
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/DRSDOCID127769448820240126153238.0001
If that doesn't work, go to the TCDS search function in the Dynamic Regulatory Library (DRS), and enter the Type Certificate Data Sheet number provided by MajorDickasons above: A78EU, under TCDS:
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/TCDSMODEL/doctypeDetails
(Link provided)
Bear in mind that type certification for two pilots is not necessary for the SIC to log the time when carrying passengers under IFR, under 14 CFR Part 135.
If that doesn't work, go to the TCDS search function in the Dynamic Regulatory Library (DRS), and enter the Type Certificate Data Sheet number provided by MajorDickasons above: A78EU, under TCDS:
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/TCDSMODEL/doctypeDetails
(Link provided)
Bear in mind that type certification for two pilots is not necessary for the SIC to log the time when carrying passengers under IFR, under 14 CFR Part 135.
it isn't necessary as you said, yes. But is it sufficient, along with Opspecs that clearly indicate no single pilot operations and no autopilot in lieu of SIC, to have an solid case that the SIC time is valid?
#14
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Under Part 135, IFR passenger carrying operations require a SIC. Done.
You don't have to prove that, document that, build a case around it, or demonstrate it. You don't even need to make a scrapbook. The SIC is required under the regulation. It doesn't matter if it's a two-pilot or single-pilot airplane. It dosn't matter if the company has operations specifications not authorizing single pilot operations. It doesn't even matter if the company is authorized single pilot operations.
If you are an authorized, trained crewmember for that operator, working as SIC under IFR carrying passengers, then you may log the time as SIC.
That said, if you're not on a revenue leg, are operating under VFR, have no passengers, or are doing 91 legs, and the airplane does require two crew under the type certificate, then you may also log SIC, assuming you are qualified.
#15
Yep, for the 91 legs, beware the caveat of a few aircraft where the PIC can be issued a type certificate that says "SIC required", in that case you can log SIC time...but the PIC could also have an unrestricted type rating in said aircraft that doesn't require a SIC. This is why I advise to log the conditions which you are logging the SIC. If you know what you are logging, you can explain it down the road.
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