Boeing facing criminal charges?
06-25-2024, 11:34 AM
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Apollo/Shuttle is apples to oranges to the commercial crew capsule program.
Apollo was a cold-war endeavor, almost a hail-mary to show up the rooskies and beat them to what might have been the new high ground.
Shuttle was intended to be routine, and sort of got there but ended up too complex and dangerous for reliable and safe routine ops.
Commercial crew capsule is "supposed" to be very easy... leverage modern design and analysis tech to create a very affordable and reliable routine transportation. Very low ambition, revert from complex spaceplane model to tried and true capsule model. Shouldn't be hard honestly.
As to criminality, I guess that's up to DOJ:
https://www.reuters.com/breakingview...il-2024-06-24/
Although I've always felt that holding a corporation (ie "artificial person") criminally liable is BS.
Corporations don't commit crimes, peole do, and people should be held appropriately accountable if it rises to that level. Civil courts are the venue if you want financial penalties for torts or regulatory violations.
Apollo was a cold-war endeavor, almost a hail-mary to show up the rooskies and beat them to what might have been the new high ground.
Shuttle was intended to be routine, and sort of got there but ended up too complex and dangerous for reliable and safe routine ops.
Commercial crew capsule is "supposed" to be very easy... leverage modern design and analysis tech to create a very affordable and reliable routine transportation. Very low ambition, revert from complex spaceplane model to tried and true capsule model. Shouldn't be hard honestly.
As to criminality, I guess that's up to DOJ:
https://www.reuters.com/breakingview...il-2024-06-24/
Although I've always felt that holding a corporation (ie "artificial person") criminally liable is BS.
Corporations don't commit crimes, peole do, and people should be held appropriately accountable if it rises to that level. Civil courts are the venue if you want financial penalties for torts or regulatory violations.
06-25-2024, 04:43 PM
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this is also why in todays would of litigation we can’t ever have driverless cars! Who is at fault in an accident? The computer? The car? the Passenger? the Corporation? The programmer? the CEO? The Sim Tech who drunk texted that he knew he never should have programmed the car to run into the bus full of nuns!
Only way I see around that is .gov will need to institute some very aggressive tort reform, possibly tailored to and for the sole benefit of the autonomous vehicle industry. In other words, somebody will need to get paid off. The justice industrial complex and their congressional cronies will never implement broad reforms, that would put waaaay too many lawyers out of business.
06-26-2024, 08:23 AM
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There's nothing "easy" about going into space.
We face a myriad of challenges in atmospheric flight in proven airframes with hundreds of thousands, and millions of hours of fleet experience, from mechanical issues to operational errors.
Space operations are more tenuous with far less experience in type.
We face a myriad of challenges in atmospheric flight in proven airframes with hundreds of thousands, and millions of hours of fleet experience, from mechanical issues to operational errors.
Space operations are more tenuous with far less experience in type.
But if you can nail down a good design, maintain production quality assurance, and stick to proven operational guardrails space has the advantage that there aren't many environmental factors which can disrupt the process after the first minute or so on launch. No birds, terrain, CB, random flying saucers sqawking 1200, etc.
Natural meteors/micro-meteors are pretty rare. Man-made space junk discarded in orbit is an issue but the industry and regulators seem to be waking up to address that so I'm sure in a few decades that will have declined (left alone, the junk will eventually re-enter and burn up, we just need to stop releasing more of it). Space junk is not an issue for deep space operations. Some of it will eventually become tourist attractions (ex. Tranquility Base).
07-08-2024, 06:04 AM
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A fine and a monitor. Hope the monitor is not from the FAA. The FAA has been “monitoring” Boeing since 2019. Wonder what they were doing all that time?
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