Amazon reaches agreement with Atlas
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IMHO, if Amazon wants reliable service, they're making a huge mistake by following DHL's flawed model of using multiple airlines. They'll just end up with a lot of disgruntled pilots, who's morale is in the crapper because of the continual attempts by management to whipsaw them in a race to the bottom, providing considerably less than reliable service. Amazon would be better off sticking with UPS and Fedex, because their reliability, as poor as it may be, will be better than what it looks like they're headed for. At least our current agreement with them will take me hopefully to retirement. It'll be an interesting few years...
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Now, throw into this, the effect of whipsawing companies against each other (whether intentional or not) and it's effect on morale and all of the airlines reliabilities will suffer, including ABX's. In addition, reliability suffers when the crews feel no sense of commitment to their well being or job security, as this kind of multiple airline operation tends to breed. It's not a good mix if reliability is what you're after, and from what I understand, that's one of Amazon's reasons for this whole operation.
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ABX does have very good reliability. We attribute a lot of our reliability to the fact that we, as crew members, are what's left of Airborne Express, an overnight express company that competed for years against UPS and Fedex. As such, we have a certain professional drive to move the freight and to move it NOW. With overnight express freight, it has to move as fast as possible. We do it without thinking, but many of the other companies used by DHL (and now, it seems, Amazon) have never had to operate as an overnight company and don't seem to have this urgent desire to move the freight ASAP and therefore, their on-time reliability isn't as good.
Now, throw into this, the effect of whipsawing companies against each other (whether intentional or not) and it's effect on morale and all of the airlines reliabilities will suffer, including ABX's. In addition, reliability suffers when the crews feel no sense of commitment to their well being or job security, as this kind of multiple airline operation tends to breed. It's not a good mix if reliability is what you're after, and from what I understand, that's one of Amazon's reasons for this whole operation.
Now, throw into this, the effect of whipsawing companies against each other (whether intentional or not) and it's effect on morale and all of the airlines reliabilities will suffer, including ABX's. In addition, reliability suffers when the crews feel no sense of commitment to their well being or job security, as this kind of multiple airline operation tends to breed. It's not a good mix if reliability is what you're after, and from what I understand, that's one of Amazon's reasons for this whole operation.
I got cha now and I agree. I would feel more secure if this deal didn't include others but not too worried. All you can do is be the best and instill that pride and work ethic in us new hires.
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It's to our advantage to have brother teamsters in the mix. Oh did I mention from the same union local. Both groups now have increased bargaining power collectively. Once again, that whipsaw thing just got a little more difficult.
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At the very least, that is a good thing. If it were different unions, or ALPA, I could see a disaster.
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I agree, being united as Teamsters doesn't hurt, but it hasn't stopped the steady transfer of airframes and flying from us to Atlas, et al, and it's depressing...
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Jason605, I'm looking forward to flying with you. Many of us are looking forward to passing on our "work ethic" before we fade away into the realm of retired and forgotten pilots.
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I have 20 more years to give and this is kinda my second chance to do it right. I'm ready to learn!
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