Atlas Air Hiring
08-24-2014, 09:48 AM
#9301
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Ex USAF, ex-ATA , currently Atlas Air 747 CA
Posts: 324
Spot on. When the company tries to press to test on a provision of the CBA (it doesn't happen often but when it does it usually involves not following the R1 call out rules or the required crew rest rules) I call them on it. No rant, no loud voice, no disrespect but I do have the CBA open to the chapter and verse involved. I've never yet had to go above the first level of contact by approaching things this way. Scheduling or Travel will occasionally float something out there that exceeds the protections we have in the hopes the aviator involved hasn't read the contract. Obviously it works often enough that the practice hasn't gone away. The only defense is to know the contract and stick to it.
08-24-2014, 06:33 PM
#9302
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
I am commenting on previous comments about how FOs at majors often make more than capts at Atlas. True. But, as another poster said, some fos at Atlas make more than capts at Atlas. Talked to an fo who flew with senior FO...I think JFK based. He made $170 last year, and is on track to make $200k this year. I think this is common at lots of places....if your senior fo u can get the schedules u want, pick up extra trips, while the junior capts on smaller aircraft sit on reserve and make guarantee.
I have a more senior fo buddy.in two recent months he got about 270 credit hours...and he did not outbase.
At my last airline, fo base on smaller plane was $33k. My buddy, as junior fo, on the smaller plane, made $11.5 one month.
I think line guarantee is essential, and I think we will get it in the next contract.
I have a more senior fo buddy.in two recent months he got about 270 credit hours...and he did not outbase.
At my last airline, fo base on smaller plane was $33k. My buddy, as junior fo, on the smaller plane, made $11.5 one month.
I think line guarantee is essential, and I think we will get it in the next contract.
08-24-2014, 06:50 PM
#9304
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 249
I am commenting on previous comments about how FOs at majors often make more than capts at Atlas. True. But, as another poster said, some fos at Atlas make more than capts at Atlas. Talked to an fo who flew with senior FO...I think JFK based. He made $170 last year, and is on track to make $200k this year. I think this is common at lots of places....if your senior fo u can get the schedules u want, pick up extra trips, while the junior capts on smaller aircraft sit on reserve and make guarantee.
I have a more senior fo buddy.in two recent months he got about 270 credit hours...and he did not outbase.
At my last airline, fo base on smaller plane was $33k. My buddy, as junior fo, on the smaller plane, made $11.5 one month.
I think line guarantee is essential, and I think we will get it in the next contract.
I have a more senior fo buddy.in two recent months he got about 270 credit hours...and he did not outbase.
At my last airline, fo base on smaller plane was $33k. My buddy, as junior fo, on the smaller plane, made $11.5 one month.
I think line guarantee is essential, and I think we will get it in the next contract.
Yet I got sent home early 2 months in a row and credited 62 hours. Then they got me for imputed income. This pretty much explains the scheduling practices at Atlas. Makes zero sense.
Any FO making that much at Atlas needs to get a life outside Atlas and go home once and awhile.... Just my opinion!
08-25-2014, 03:03 AM
#9305
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: MD-11
Posts: 245
08-25-2014, 06:26 AM
#9306
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 767 CA
Posts: 217
There is no doubt that there are FO's making more than many of us Captains W2 wise; but, divide their W2 by days worked and break it down into a daily rate and they aren't making that much at all, they're just spending all their time on the road. For me, it's all about qol.
08-25-2014, 08:15 AM
#9307
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
Posts: 943
I am commenting on previous comments about how FOs at majors often make more than capts at Atlas. True. But, as another poster said, some fos at Atlas make more than capts at Atlas. Talked to an fo who flew with senior FO...I think JFK based. He made $170 last year, and is on track to make $200k this year. I think this is common at lots of places....if your senior fo u can get the schedules u want, pick up extra trips, while the junior capts on smaller aircraft sit on reserve and make guarantee.
I have a more senior fo buddy.in two recent months he got about 270 credit hours...and he did not outbase.
At my last airline, fo base on smaller plane was $33k. My buddy, as junior fo, on the smaller plane, made $11.5 one month.
I think line guarantee is essential, and I think we will get it in the next contract.
I have a more senior fo buddy.in two recent months he got about 270 credit hours...and he did not outbase.
At my last airline, fo base on smaller plane was $33k. My buddy, as junior fo, on the smaller plane, made $11.5 one month.
I think line guarantee is essential, and I think we will get it in the next contract.
But there's nobody making money like that on the 767. My average over almost three years is 72 hours/month.
Early in the program, we had junior 767 FOs making huge money because they were required to fly AMC trips to meet DoD minimums for experience in the cockpit. Of course, they often stayed out for a month or more. No thanks...
What few 767 open time trips appear now go senior - although if you Vx your days off, pretty much anybody has an equal chance of being extended.
08-25-2014, 09:34 AM
#9308
Tuk er jerbs!
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B747 Left
Posts: 1,342
Atlas Air Hiring
There are ways, if you know the CBA cold, not to spend 30+ days on the road for 150+ credit hours. Buuut I digress, since I don't need someone from the company thinking I'm pushing for an illegal work action when I'm not.
08-26-2014, 12:15 PM
#9309
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 80
Hi all, lots of good info on this thread. I was wondering from you guys that are on property, is Atlas actually hiring guys with 2000TT 500 Jet? Im at 2100TT, a little over 1000 jet, regional guy. I have a management internal rec, but they aren't part of the flight department so I don't know how that will play out.
08-26-2014, 12:25 PM
#9310
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
They have hired guys with no PIC, and guys who were too young for an ATP. Not sure what the lowest time guy was hired...but the mins are there for a reason. I would definitely apply if I met the mins and I was considering Atlas.
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