Atlas Air Hiring
06-26-2014, 05:16 AM
#8801
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Joined APC: Sep 2012
Position: Exploring the world, oh yeah and I fly big planes!
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06-26-2014, 05:26 AM
#8802
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If you are in possession of that type of information and negotiations are indeed ongoing, you are not only jeopardizing any possible outcome of what is likely confidential at this point, but demonstrating that you cannot be trusted with important projects by those you serve.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
06-26-2014, 06:14 AM
#8803
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: On My A$$
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Since when? Apparently, you and I have different contracts. Oh, and when did the change in position happen? For the longest time, we were told to fight it as it is not in the contract and now, I just need to do my homework. Care to quote the part where it says in order to take Gateway Travel you must have a backup flight plus 10 hours of rest?
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
Johnny could not agree more!
Also, Atlasslave mentioned the that if you want to truth read his posts.....The truth according to who? Really....
As far as not campaigning I did not read anything in the last 8 or 10 pages of this thread that would constitute campaigning. Also after carefully reading the 1224 bylaws, there is NO reference to when campaigning can begin. Plus the DoL, LMRDA, OLMS or the NLRB address when campaigning can officially start, in 'the' guidebook they leave it up to the individual union. I am not sure where Atlasslave got the info. Is this a truth??????
BTW, if it is true that we are talking about a 'retirement' or any 'adjustment' to gateway travel, then the group should be PO'ed that we were not asked the question, "what do you want?" Oh, I guess it is sorta like the AQP negotiations, they did not ask the pilot group either, I guess they just know better than the pilot group does.
Anyway for those wanting to work at Atlas it is a fairly good place to work. I believe that it will be a much better place to work in the near future.
Cargowannbe
06-26-2014, 06:30 AM
#8804
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 24
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
Suggest you start by reading Section 20.E.9 of the 1224 bylaws.
You could also familiarize yourself with article XIX section 7 of the IBT constitution.
06-26-2014, 07:06 AM
#8805
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: B767 CA
Posts: 1,100
One could have been "lurking" around on this thread without having to post anything...or having to be a member.
06-26-2014, 07:20 AM
#8806
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Position: 320 Captain
Posts: 335
Unfortunately, I can not reveal my source but my information is correct. I am highly involved with union work. These pension decisions are being made at the highest levels of the union without input from the Retirement and Insurance Committee. I would like to inform the pilot group of their "representation" from their leadership on the union forum but this topic will be censored just as other topics that don't fit the union leadership's goals have recently been censored.
Oh yeah, the leadership is about to give relief on the Gateway Travel backup flight to the company as well.
I wish I was making this up...unfortunately, I am not.
Come on guys, doesn't anyone else care about what is going on here or are you all too busy filling out applications for UPS to care?
Oh yeah, the leadership is about to give relief on the Gateway Travel backup flight to the company as well.
I wish I was making this up...unfortunately, I am not.
Come on guys, doesn't anyone else care about what is going on here or are you all too busy filling out applications for UPS to care?
Besides, the members would have to vote on something like that as well. So to sit here and worry about it with just a rumor . . . nope. I'll do something else. That's not to say I won't be asking around. And no, I'm not filling out any applications, either. If I go anywhere, I'll excercise my AA recall. But as long as I'm here I will follow the CBA and do my part.
06-26-2014, 07:43 AM
#8807
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: Left Seat B747-400/-8
Posts: 10
Since when? Apparently, you and I have different contracts. Oh, and when did the change in position happen? For the longest time, we were told to fight it as it is not in the contract and now, I just need to do my homework. Care to quote the part where it says in order to take Gateway Travel you must have a backup flight plus 10 hours of rest?
Answers for your homework:
10 hours of rest prior t a duty period- CBA 2.DD
Gateway Backup (Company interpretation) - CBA 6.A.6.f Gateway is owned by the Company and is extended to the crewmember. As such, they can do what they will to make it work in their system. To make sure a crewmember gets there in time for an operation, they can require a backup and use the whole day prior to shop for a fare.
Gateway Backup (Union position) - Union LEGAL agrees that backup is acceptable; NOT the ExCo and the rest of the committees that deal with this. However, any backup assigned must be the last flight of the day for the rest indicated above and the flight chosen for the crewmember travel must be the closest in time (not anytime that day or the day prior, cheapest fare, etc.) to that last flight of the day and must conform to CBA 6.A.6.a (Expeditious Travel).
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
Answers for your homework:
10 hours of rest prior t a duty period- CBA 2.DD
Gateway Backup (Company interpretation) - CBA 6.A.6.f Gateway is owned by the Company and is extended to the crewmember. As such, they can do what they will to make it work in their system. To make sure a crewmember gets there in time for an operation, they can require a backup and use the whole day prior to shop for a fare.
Gateway Backup (Union position) - Union LEGAL agrees that backup is acceptable; NOT the ExCo and the rest of the committees that deal with this. However, any backup assigned must be the last flight of the day for the rest indicated above and the flight chosen for the crewmember travel must be the closest in time (not anytime that day or the day prior, cheapest fare, etc.) to that last flight of the day and must conform to CBA 6.A.6.a (Expeditious Travel).
I never signed a nondisclosure, so I am not the one with the problem here. Also, if I am jeopardizing a pension plan that is only being negotiated for your benefit and not the entire pilot group, then so be it.
And Solidarity happens when you have people working as a team. A great team can only form when one part of the group stops negotiating for their sole benefit.
It actually sounds like you are a divider and not a fan of uniting. Negotiation done by YOUR ExCo is not on their behalf, but for EVERYONE. If you want XCA pay, apply to become one. If you want to keep flying abusive PC's according to the App F list, and not advocating AQP and bringing "Atlas Training" into the modern age, fine don't vote for it when it comes out.
06-26-2014, 07:46 AM
#8808
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Position: Left Seat B747-400/-8
Posts: 10
Precisely my point Whalefr8. Thank you.
06-26-2014, 08:54 AM
#8809
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Posts: 617
Has anyone heard more news of upcoming interviews? About 3 weeks ago I was specifically told by HR that there were 8 people left in the pool. I hope that they are unable to conduct interviews prior to another class because it will force them to call some of the poor folks that have been stuck in it for over a year and keep getting pushed down when interviews occur. I was told that was changing but it definitely has not. I'm right at about 6 months on waiting so I sure can't complain, just hoping to get information for everyone.
06-26-2014, 09:02 AM
#8810
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Position: On My A$$
Posts: 241
You don't have to sign an NDA. You are bound by the IBT Constitution and the Local 1224 By-Laws as another referenced above.
It actually sounds like you are a divider and not a fan of uniting. Negotiation done by YOUR ExCo is not on their behalf, but for EVERYONE. If you want XCA pay, apply to become one. If you want to keep flying abusive PC's according to the App F list, and not advocating AQP and bringing "Atlas Training" into the modern age, fine don't vote for it when it comes out.
It actually sounds like you are a divider and not a fan of uniting. Negotiation done by YOUR ExCo is not on their behalf, but for EVERYONE. If you want XCA pay, apply to become one. If you want to keep flying abusive PC's according to the App F list, and not advocating AQP and bringing "Atlas Training" into the modern age, fine don't vote for it when it comes out.
Divider was mentioned above, debatable. Question. Is a divider one that voices his/her concern and is then pounced on by individuals in the know? Or is the divider the one that pounces simply because the information leaked out before the time was right for them? Just curious
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