Atlas Air Hiring
06-04-2014, 08:18 PM
#8623
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Joined APC: May 2014
Position: B-767
Posts: 158
You know what? Lump it. I have been on the 767 for 3 solid years, I did more garbage work than most. The last 20 years, this is my lot in life. I have babysitted new captains for the last three years. Fine. I did almost 100 hours last month. I love you guys, and I have so much fun at Atlas, but I will just do what is contractually obligated. Let us do our time on the 767, then move on. Do I get upset about -400/8 pay? No, I don't. I get upset about much-Union issues, politics, spending 200 dollars on dinner, and not getting any loving; but I do not begrudge my position at Atlas. Maybe they would have never hired me, had I not been a 767 captain. I fly my trips, volunteer many hours for union business, and bide my time. That is just life. Don't forget where we came from. And fight for a industry leading contract.
06-04-2014, 11:15 PM
#8625
Tuk er jerbs!
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B747 Left
Posts: 1,342
No doubt you can get better lines and pay for junior guys if you stay in ANC but you also lose a lot of time traveling to/from base each month and can be looking at a lot of imputed income (flew with one ANC guy who had $3000 imputed in one month).
Sounds like the credit hours for a 767 guy are actually close to the normal on the 747 - obviously the pay is 16% less per hour. So if the company did offer the same pay for 767 FO's they might stop a lot of the movement which will inevitably happen when the seat locks are up.
Sounds like the credit hours for a 767 guy are actually close to the normal on the 747 - obviously the pay is 16% less per hour. So if the company did offer the same pay for 767 FO's they might stop a lot of the movement which will inevitably happen when the seat locks are up.
I actually agree with one of our EXCO members on the single pay rate issue; it'd actually be leaving money on the table.
Obviously, the 747 generates much more revenue than a 767. If the company were to agree to pay us 767 drivers the 747 rates, then that tells us they could afford to significantly increase 747 rates. UPS actually could significantly increase their top-end rates if they weren't paying everyone a blended rate, as well.
My personal issue is the seniority disparity, not the 16% pay differential. And of course, working on bringing both rates up to par with our peers in 2016.
06-05-2014, 04:25 AM
#8626
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: B767 CA
Posts: 1,100
You know what? Lump it. I have been on the 767 for 3 solid years, I did more garbage work than most. The last 20 years, this is my lot in life. I have babysitted new captains for the last three years. Fine. I did almost 100 hours last month. I love you guys, and I have so much fun at Atlas, but I will just do what is contractually obligated. Let us do our time on the 767, then move on. Do I get upset about -400/8 pay? No, I don't. I get upset about much-Union issues, politics, spending 200 dollars on dinner, and not getting any loving; but I do not begrudge my position at Atlas. Maybe they would have never hired me, had I not been a 767 captain. I fly my trips, volunteer many hours for union business, and bide my time. That is just life. Don't forget where we came from. And fight for a industry leading contract.
06-05-2014, 04:27 AM
#8627
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: B767 CA
Posts: 1,100
I actually agree with one of our EXCO members on the single pay rate issue; it'd actually be leaving money on the table.
Obviously, the 747 generates much more revenue than a 767. If the company were to agree to pay us 767 drivers the 747 rates, then that tells us they could afford to significantly increase 747 rates. UPS actually could significantly increase their top-end rates if they weren't paying everyone a blended rate, as well.
My personal issue is the seniority disparity, not the 16% pay differential. And of course, working on bringing both rates up to par with our peers in 2016.
Obviously, the 747 generates much more revenue than a 767. If the company were to agree to pay us 767 drivers the 747 rates, then that tells us they could afford to significantly increase 747 rates. UPS actually could significantly increase their top-end rates if they weren't paying everyone a blended rate, as well.
My personal issue is the seniority disparity, not the 16% pay differential. And of course, working on bringing both rates up to par with our peers in 2016.
Do we want to use our negotiating capital fighting for a single rate when we have so much else to fix?!! Somebody please answer that question in a reasonable manner and I'll support a single rate. Is that one issue worth sacrificing other important issues?...I say no.
06-05-2014, 06:21 AM
#8628
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
I had R1 yesterday (got home a day early from trip)...and was at home in GRB. Travel booked an AA flight for me from MIA to CVG yesterday...???!!!???
Pay rates: Pretty much everyone pays wide bodies all the same. I don't think anyone at all has a difference between -777 and -747 pay. I think should be fixed. As it gets harder and harder for Atlas to recruit and retain pilots, due to the pilot shortage, having low -767 pay will not help.
Pay rates: Pretty much everyone pays wide bodies all the same. I don't think anyone at all has a difference between -777 and -747 pay. I think should be fixed. As it gets harder and harder for Atlas to recruit and retain pilots, due to the pilot shortage, having low -767 pay will not help.
06-05-2014, 06:27 AM
#8629
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
Posts: 943
And low 747 pay. And low guarantee. And no bid/trip pay protection. And no seniority except for bidding a work footprint. And no ability to trade trips. And no retirement. And ...
06-05-2014, 06:35 AM
#8630
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 154
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