Atlas Air Hiring
06-03-2014, 05:14 PM
#8612
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: B767 CA
Posts: 1,100
It was "the union" that filed a Grievance that freed all 6 of the 767 FOs that were wrongly placed on the 767 when they started class last year. It was "the union" that fought for ALL six of them, even though only four could've held a 747 slot in their class seniority...
I was there...ask one of the six, it was "the union"...
Please call me...and I will tell you the story...I will prove to you how "the union" has taken steps to get both fleets represented.
Last edited by 744driver; 06-03-2014 at 05:42 PM.
06-03-2014, 05:19 PM
#8613
Tuk er jerbs!
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B747 Left
Posts: 1,342
But, then there's the 150% hazardous duty pay that we 767 drivers have no access to. A match to 747 rates would still result in less pay, and we'd still be schlepping empty cans on an 11.5 hour SYD-ICN leg with nothing but a jumpseat to rest in.
At least in my opinion, what needs to be fixed first is the seniority list. A rate match would help, but it'd simply be a bandaid.
06-03-2014, 07:09 PM
#8614
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: B744/8 CA at Atlas
Posts: 83
A friend of mine up in ANC did 85 hours last month for roughly 75 hours of rig. Might not happen often... I wouldn't know.
But, then there's the 150% hazardous duty pay that we 767 drivers have no access to. A match to 747 rates would still result in less pay, and we'd still be schlepping empty cans on an 11.5 hour SYD-ICN leg with nothing but a jumpseat to rest in.
At least in my opinion, what needs to be fixed first is the seniority list. A rate match would help, but it'd simply be a bandaid.
But, then there's the 150% hazardous duty pay that we 767 drivers have no access to. A match to 747 rates would still result in less pay, and we'd still be schlepping empty cans on an 11.5 hour SYD-ICN leg with nothing but a jumpseat to rest in.
At least in my opinion, what needs to be fixed first is the seniority list. A rate match would help, but it'd simply be a bandaid.
It definitely doesn't happen often! I think I average about 72 -73 hours a month and flying with a 6th year LA guy last month he said he averaged in the 70's all of last year.
I have the "willing to fly in hostile regions" checked and have yet to see any of that pay after 14 months online - a few very senior guys may get the lines with a few turns to make extra pay. Kind of like the open time and out basing!
Don't know what 767 guys are making but on second year pay I would expect to average 73 hours a month for about $85000 on second year 747 pay. How many credit hours can you expect on the 767?
I do agree the lack of the bunk really sucks on the 767 for the SYD runs.
06-03-2014, 07:09 PM
#8615
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 199
744 - I know you are a huge advocate - I hear a lot of good things from others about you!!
I am not saying we are without representation on our fleet but we are unbalanced...poor choice of wording on my part. My sincere apologies.
I am not saying we are without representation on our fleet but we are unbalanced...poor choice of wording on my part. My sincere apologies.
06-03-2014, 07:37 PM
#8616
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: B767 CA
Posts: 1,100
Fair enough...I was kinda harsh as well, no disrespect intended...can we get a group hug now?!!
I do see your frustration, and trust me I'm just as upset at the slow progress around here. But we all have to chip in and make this work...at least until our 3-year purgatory expires this fall (for some of us at least). Or at least until you youngsters make your way to greener pastures!!
I do see your frustration, and trust me I'm just as upset at the slow progress around here. But we all have to chip in and make this work...at least until our 3-year purgatory expires this fall (for some of us at least). Or at least until you youngsters make your way to greener pastures!!
06-04-2014, 02:01 AM
#8618
Tuk er jerbs!
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B747 Left
Posts: 1,342
It definitely doesn't happen often! I think I average about 72 -73 hours a month and flying with a 6th year LA guy last month he said he averaged in the 70's all of last year.
I have the "willing to fly in hostile regions" checked and have yet to see any of that pay after 14 months online - a few very senior guys may get the lines with a few turns to make extra pay. Kind of like the open time and out basing!
Don't know what 767 guys are making but on second year pay I would expect to average 73 hours a month for about $85000 on second year 747 pay. How many credit hours can you expect on the 767?
I do agree the lack of the bunk really sucks on the 767 for the SYD runs.
I have the "willing to fly in hostile regions" checked and have yet to see any of that pay after 14 months online - a few very senior guys may get the lines with a few turns to make extra pay. Kind of like the open time and out basing!
Don't know what 767 guys are making but on second year pay I would expect to average 73 hours a month for about $85000 on second year 747 pay. How many credit hours can you expect on the 767?
I do agree the lack of the bunk really sucks on the 767 for the SYD runs.
I would say 73-75 hours is about average for the 767, but second year pay is $81.48/hr vs. $97.07.
06-04-2014, 05:48 AM
#8619
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: B744/8 CA at Atlas
Posts: 83
Well, like I said, I don't know first-hand. All just what I hear. To be fair though, the guy who told me about his 85 hour month (and hazardous duty pay for the month prior to that one) has been online less than 14 months. ANC based.
I would say 73-75 hours is about average for the 767, but second year pay is $81.48/hr vs. $97.07.
I would say 73-75 hours is about average for the 767, but second year pay is $81.48/hr vs. $97.07.
Sounds like the credit hours for a 767 guy are actually close to the normal on the 747 - obviously the pay is 16% less per hour. So if the company did offer the same pay for 767 FO's they might stop a lot of the movement which will inevitably happen when the seat locks are up.
06-04-2014, 06:42 AM
#8620
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
Posts: 943
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