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01-25-2014, 03:57 AM

#7721

Larry in TN

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Wasp

It gets worse. Was flying a -8 painted in Etihad colors under a Giant callsign in the US. Many time you have to start the briefing with who we're going to be today.

I heard a "Giant" flight departing CVG one morning who accidentally called Tower using "Polar". Really confused the tower controller who apparently had no idea that the two call signs were the same company.

01-25-2014, 05:45 AM

#7722

Whaledriver

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Joined APC: Sep 2005

Position: Left Seat

Posts: 466

Heck, that happens all the time. First couple days a of the trip with a Qantas call sign, then next day a Giant call sign, followed by Etihad and finally Polar. Sometimes it takes a while to get into the call sign of the day. Just another week at Atlas.

01-25-2014, 07:16 AM

#7723

Cruise

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Position: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist

Posts: 1,065

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Originally Posted by Rhino12

Feel free not to apply if you don't like the BS regarding the SSN seniority. It's probably BS that a younger guy hired before you shouldn't be senior to you too, right?

Yeah, that's it.

Certainly don't mean to pee in anyone's Cheerios....if it works for you, that's great. However, using SSN defies the mandatory retirement/ age /seniority logic (as if there was ever any logic in the first place) in this industry.

For what it's worth, I turned down the class date.

01-25-2014, 07:49 AM

#7724

Talon1011

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Position: Ex USAF, ex-ATA , currently Atlas Air 747 CA

Posts: 324

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whaledriver

Yep! One of my most important items in the brain bag is a bunch of notepads so I can write the "call sign of the day" and stick it on the panel in front of me.

01-25-2014, 07:59 AM

#7725

Galaxydriver

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Joined APC: Apr 2011

Position: 757/767 FO

Posts: 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruise

Yeah, that's it.

This is driven by HR, so you can thank you local lawyers for this. I think if you check every airline now uses a similar process. 10 or 15 years ago it might have been different, but avoiding age discrimination lawsuits is driving this.

01-25-2014, 08:50 AM

#7726

HercDriver130

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Position: 744 CA

Posts: 4,772

Still Birthdate at K4.... and the company before that as well...

01-25-2014, 09:03 AM

#7727

NightIP

Tuk er jerbs!

Joined APC: Mar 2007

Position: B747 Left

Posts: 1,342

It's not a big deal in a normal class size, anyway. I've worked at companies with birthdays used, numbers pulled out of a hat, and SSN (high or low being good). Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. System wide, it doesn't mean much unless you're really unlucky during a furlough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paok

Last four of social. Or you could be completely randomly assigned to aircraft types out of seniority order :/

I heard about that...did that ever get worked out? Seems like it'd be a slam dunk grievance...

01-25-2014, 09:59 AM

#7728

TimmyR

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NightIP

767:

CVG is the junior base; all trips start there either operating or with a deadhead. You almost always give up a day off on the front end for gateway. Lines are all hard lines of flying or R2 (hotel reserve for those unfamiliar). At least on the FO side, domestic tends to go senior. I have no trouble as a junior guy in CVG holding NRT, SYD, TPE, etc. Schedules don't change often if you're on a regular line (excellent for those of us bidding for pay).

JFK is senior, and I've heard those guys don't often give up a day off for gateway. These cats also have R1 lines (home reserve).

JFK has very few trip pair lines and mostly R2, from what I've seen so far. YMMV.