Atlas Air Hiring
01-20-2014, 10:26 AM
#7632
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Unfortunately they don't give us the low-down of the interview process so these changes are as new to us as they are to you. Lets hope those that are experiencing this new process are also willing to come on here and share with us. If this part of the process has changed, what else has changed I have to wonder?? It's possible this year there may be some pioneering going on, be prepared and study everything (not just gouge items) and take good notes just in case!!
01-20-2014, 02:25 PM
#7633
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After reading this thread all the way through I've read 2 different answer to a question I had about gateway travel. If your trip starts somewhere other than your base, can they travel you on a day off, or is that only to get to your base for a trip? Also, does recurrent and such count towards your 17 days? i.e. if you have recurrent in a particular month can you get a 17 day trip in addition to it?
01-20-2014, 02:46 PM
#7634
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SVA402
You are "responsible" for being at your base with adequate and legal rest (10 Hours) prior to operating a flight from said base. This may mean positioning to your base on an X-day to be in position for this.
If your flight departs at 4am from ANC on your first day of work you will need to be there on day one minus ten hours to be legally rested. Hence travel will arrange this with no waivers given and usually with a back up for their warm fuzzy. This is the "penalty" for living where the hell you want within reach of a gateway city (company designated and approved).
It is no different than if you worked for a legacy airline and had to jumpseat to your base in time to snooze before work and have a backup contingency plan.
For the folks living the Atlas "life-they-have-chosen" the nerve-wracking jumpseating-into-position part of the equation has evaporated and now you are at the gate with a space+ ticket.
The caveat is a palatable and minor payroll deduction for the taxes on that ticket to work which, in the grand scheme, are miniscule and you get the FFM to keep and convert into a nice vacation for you and your squeeze when time comes...
Now, if your trip starts elsewhere other than your official base you will (normally) be travelled within the confines of your work footprint, i.e. on your work days.
As an example: You are assigned to start from LAX vs. your ANC base (schedule changes, sick calls, extra flying, all of the above). Travel will then airmail you to LAX with adequate rest on your work day, the same rules apply (10 hours of rest). In other words it is on their dime and the taxes don't count either. Consider it a freebie and you get the FFM's too...
Capiche?
Breathe easy....
You are "responsible" for being at your base with adequate and legal rest (10 Hours) prior to operating a flight from said base. This may mean positioning to your base on an X-day to be in position for this.
If your flight departs at 4am from ANC on your first day of work you will need to be there on day one minus ten hours to be legally rested. Hence travel will arrange this with no waivers given and usually with a back up for their warm fuzzy. This is the "penalty" for living where the hell you want within reach of a gateway city (company designated and approved).
It is no different than if you worked for a legacy airline and had to jumpseat to your base in time to snooze before work and have a backup contingency plan.
For the folks living the Atlas "life-they-have-chosen" the nerve-wracking jumpseating-into-position part of the equation has evaporated and now you are at the gate with a space+ ticket.
The caveat is a palatable and minor payroll deduction for the taxes on that ticket to work which, in the grand scheme, are miniscule and you get the FFM to keep and convert into a nice vacation for you and your squeeze when time comes...
Now, if your trip starts elsewhere other than your official base you will (normally) be travelled within the confines of your work footprint, i.e. on your work days.
As an example: You are assigned to start from LAX vs. your ANC base (schedule changes, sick calls, extra flying, all of the above). Travel will then airmail you to LAX with adequate rest on your work day, the same rules apply (10 hours of rest). In other words it is on their dime and the taxes don't count either. Consider it a freebie and you get the FFM's too...
Capiche?
Breathe easy....
Last edited by Brokenwind; 01-20-2014 at 03:00 PM. Reason: logic
01-20-2014, 03:39 PM
#7637
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01-20-2014, 04:21 PM
#7638
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Posts: 93
SVA402
My pleasure. It is confusing, especially when you are on the outside looking in.
A lot of CBA jargon, internal information and nomenclature being thrown around.
This is a serious airline with serious people involved in making it a mutual success for everybody involved. All the horses are pulling in the same direction and contrary to many organizations there seems to be a culture of win-win permeating throughout this one...
As hard as the rhetoric goes with grill side romance in Miami and passing online testing, tie or no tie and various sidesteps I think the red line boils down to you and your commitment to being part of a tack driving force with a sharp focus on the end game and keeping an eye on the ball.
Hard working group of folks here... We're all here for our collective and common good!
Still... We do find time to have a bit of fun too!
My pleasure. It is confusing, especially when you are on the outside looking in.
A lot of CBA jargon, internal information and nomenclature being thrown around.
This is a serious airline with serious people involved in making it a mutual success for everybody involved. All the horses are pulling in the same direction and contrary to many organizations there seems to be a culture of win-win permeating throughout this one...
As hard as the rhetoric goes with grill side romance in Miami and passing online testing, tie or no tie and various sidesteps I think the red line boils down to you and your commitment to being part of a tack driving force with a sharp focus on the end game and keeping an eye on the ball.
Hard working group of folks here... We're all here for our collective and common good!
Still... We do find time to have a bit of fun too!
01-20-2014, 04:28 PM
#7639
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Position: B744/8 CA at Atlas
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After reading this thread all the way through I've read 2 different answer to a question I had about gateway travel. If your trip starts somewhere other than your base, can they travel you on a day off, or is that only to get to your base for a trip? Also, does recurrent and such count towards your 17 days? i.e. if you have recurrent in a particular month can you get a 17 day trip in addition to it?
This is also the case for working more than 17 days in a row from month to month - if you don't want to work back to back 17 day patterns then don't bid them. In that case if you can't hold a line you want the company will assign you a line with days off in between the trips.
01-20-2014, 05:05 PM
#7640
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WorldDC10
Thanks for filling in, I think all I gave SVA402 was half the answer.
Like you said, the training days belong to you and if you have the desire/seniority to have them overlap your line of work it is your call.
Having the days overlay your line of work can/will fragment your original bid and result in you becoming a "free agent" for scheduling but you retain your footprint.
On your days off you will be owned by the company for training and will be subject to travel and hotels as if you are on a trip. This is naturally compensated for by the CBA (Collective bargaining Agreement) but at a lower rate than had you been producing revenue for the company.
It's all up to you and what your dynamics are at the time your training presents itself.
Personally, I have vowed not to go to training on my days off as the return has been remorseful compared to the time I lost at home.
On the other side, be prepared that your 4 day HNL layover will become dust if your training days touch a day of your original bidline...
Thank you WorldDC10, not to steal your thunder...
Thanks for filling in, I think all I gave SVA402 was half the answer.
Like you said, the training days belong to you and if you have the desire/seniority to have them overlap your line of work it is your call.
Having the days overlay your line of work can/will fragment your original bid and result in you becoming a "free agent" for scheduling but you retain your footprint.
On your days off you will be owned by the company for training and will be subject to travel and hotels as if you are on a trip. This is naturally compensated for by the CBA (Collective bargaining Agreement) but at a lower rate than had you been producing revenue for the company.
It's all up to you and what your dynamics are at the time your training presents itself.
Personally, I have vowed not to go to training on my days off as the return has been remorseful compared to the time I lost at home.
On the other side, be prepared that your 4 day HNL layover will become dust if your training days touch a day of your original bidline...
Thank you WorldDC10, not to steal your thunder...
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