Atlas Air Hiring
12-14-2013, 06:27 AM
#7361
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: 747 F/O
Posts: 172
My opinion is that slightly more than 50% under 40 will leave to a Legacy if hired. My unofficial cockpit survey is more like 90% say they are going to leave if given the chance (under 40 generally). Shoot, most Capts tell me I should try for better too.
12-14-2013, 08:26 AM
#7362
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: B767 CA
Posts: 1,100
That's what I'm hearing...but it is a huge thing to get to a legacy/major, or FDX/UPS, and the odds are not in anyone's favor. So, saying "I'm gonna go to Delta or United" is one thing, actually getting in a class is entirely a different thing. Therefore, even though I'm hearing the same numbers, I think 50% of the under 40 crowd is too large a percentage...
That said, it is up to the company to prevent that...how do they do that? Heck, that's simple...start treating their employees with respect, follow the CBA, and give us all some incentives to stick around for the long term.
Good luck (to us all!!)
That said, it is up to the company to prevent that...how do they do that? Heck, that's simple...start treating their employees with respect, follow the CBA, and give us all some incentives to stick around for the long term.
Good luck (to us all!!)
12-14-2013, 10:30 AM
#7363
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Position: Gear and flap operator
Posts: 93
I think that given some favorable global economics and if this "pilot shortage" actually happens this time, then the leverage will be in the Atlas Air pilot groups' favor for a strong contract.
I'd wager that there are fat times ahead at Atlas, barring some cataclysmic event that would throw us back to the middle ages.
Then it just comes down to what kind of career you would want for yourself and the lifestyle that suits you, be it here (5Y) or with a legacy airline and depending on all the variables it could be a difficult decision for some.
It ain't over 'till it's over...
I'd wager that there are fat times ahead at Atlas, barring some cataclysmic event that would throw us back to the middle ages.
Then it just comes down to what kind of career you would want for yourself and the lifestyle that suits you, be it here (5Y) or with a legacy airline and depending on all the variables it could be a difficult decision for some.
It ain't over 'till it's over...
12-14-2013, 03:48 PM
#7367
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Ex USAF, ex-ATA , currently Atlas Air 747 CA
Posts: 324
Brokenwind has a very important point. Choosing an airline for which to work MUST involve more than the paycheck in the calculations. Case in point: During my 14 years with ATA there were quite a few friends that moved on to Northwest, Delta, and yes.. even UPS. To a man, when I ran into them in following years they said, "You know, I make a lot more money now but it's not fun any more. It's just a job now.". Whether this would be true for anyone reading this is hard to say. If one is miserable in their current job then it makes complete sense to look elsewhere. If one is enjoying life and just wishes for a larger paycheck then moving on and actually getting that larger paycheck may come at a cost. Each person must decide for themselves if that cost is worth it.
12-15-2013, 02:47 AM
#7368
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This seems to have become the reality. However, why should it be a choice of fun job OR a larger paycheck? I would like both, please! Liken to the Ford Focus TV commercial, "AND" is better than "OR". I fly for 5Y "AND" I am compensated handsomely; $$$. I know it is not a reality (yet).
CBA negotiations can't come soon enough. IMHO.
CBA negotiations can't come soon enough. IMHO.
12-15-2013, 08:34 AM
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This seems to have become the reality. However, why should it be a choice of fun job OR a larger paycheck? I would like both, please! Liken to the Ford Focus TV commercial, "AND" is better than "OR". I fly for 5Y "AND" I am compensated handsomely; $$$. I know it is not a reality (yet).
CBA negotiations can't come soon enough. IMHO.
CBA negotiations can't come soon enough. IMHO.
What a concept!
My sentiments exactly. ABX is ramping up negotiations next year and if they can come up with a strong contract to include better compensation then all 5Y Crewmembers have to do is to follow suit...
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