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08-24-2013, 05:56 PM
#6611
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 610
I, too, log the whole flight If I am operating crew.
Splitting hairs is a slippery slope for me. Actual time in the seat vs. scheduled? Time in the bunk? Time in the jump seat during TO/LDG? Time in the jumpseat doing OPS Calcs or aircraft logbook? Duty time but not in seat - in the lav or galley?
Too much for my tired brain.
Now, PIC time I do split. If I sign the flight plan, I log it as PIC. Obviously the Captain logs that same time as PIC, but there are other instances where two crew members can log PIC simultaneously (i.e. CFI with a licensed pilot doing training) and even though I'm not getting the big bucks, I'm typed and if my signature is on it, I'm logging it.
YMMV
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Splitting hairs is a slippery slope for me. Actual time in the seat vs. scheduled? Time in the bunk? Time in the jump seat during TO/LDG? Time in the jumpseat doing OPS Calcs or aircraft logbook? Duty time but not in seat - in the lav or galley?
Too much for my tired brain.
Now, PIC time I do split. If I sign the flight plan, I log it as PIC. Obviously the Captain logs that same time as PIC, but there are other instances where two crew members can log PIC simultaneously (i.e. CFI with a licensed pilot doing training) and even though I'm not getting the big bucks, I'm typed and if my signature is on it, I'm logging it.
YMMV
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08-24-2013, 06:03 PM
#6612
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 747
Posts: 1,290
08-24-2013, 06:12 PM
#6613
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 610
I see. Well that adds an interesting twist to this issue! So I could have logged a lot of heavy time as PIC because I was acting pic and scribbled my name on the release while the boss was in the back eating all the catering?
08-24-2013, 06:43 PM
#6614
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
Posts: 943
Will I ever list it on a resume or claim it as PIC in my logbook? Not a chance. Sure, it's legal. But do other airlines consider it to be valid PIC time? Nope.
08-24-2013, 09:46 PM
#6615
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 393
So many people get wrapped around the axle about logging down to the minute. Bottom line is that once you have the minimums for whatever company you're interested in, getting that interview is a lot more about networking and succeeding in their hiring process than plunking down the logbook. This is reflected in the wide variety of backgrounds at Atlas, including the right seat only RJ FOs.
In my past, when I was in interviewer positions, I hired the person, not the logbook or ratings. Sure, it bit me in the ass a couple times when somebody pulled the wool over my eyes during the interview, but more often than not it worked very well.
08-25-2013, 01:43 PM
#6620
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: the correct seat
Posts: 1,422
I, too, log the whole flight If I am operating crew.
Splitting hairs is a slippery slope for me. Actual time in the seat vs. scheduled? Time in the bunk? Time in the jump seat during TO/LDG? Time in the jumpseat doing OPS Calcs or aircraft logbook? Duty time but not in seat - in the lav or galley?
Too much for my tired brain.
Now, PIC time I do split. If I sign the flight plan, I log it as PIC. Obviously the Captain logs that same time as PIC, but there are other instances where two crew members can log PIC simultaneously (i.e. CFI with a licensed pilot doing training) and even though I'm not getting the big bucks, I'm typed and if my signature is on it, I'm logging it.
YMMV
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Splitting hairs is a slippery slope for me. Actual time in the seat vs. scheduled? Time in the bunk? Time in the jump seat during TO/LDG? Time in the jumpseat doing OPS Calcs or aircraft logbook? Duty time but not in seat - in the lav or galley?
Too much for my tired brain.
Now, PIC time I do split. If I sign the flight plan, I log it as PIC. Obviously the Captain logs that same time as PIC, but there are other instances where two crew members can log PIC simultaneously (i.e. CFI with a licensed pilot doing training) and even though I'm not getting the big bucks, I'm typed and if my signature is on it, I'm logging it.
YMMV
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