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#6061
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
Just a word of advice for the guys who have gone to get there 737 type or who are thinking about going to get their 737 type. Be extremely careful with that type rating you could get labeled as a southwest guy. Granted there is nothing wrong with being label as a southwest guy they are great pilot group over there. But be ready to explain why you got that kind of type and expect to be asked about going to southwest and be extremely adamant about not going to southwest. I learned over my short lifetime that the 73 type is bad news with all the other airlines out there it like you going to having a strike on you before you even start to bat. Now granted, you can knock the interview out the park an still get the job but realize your walking in with strike one.
When I was getting ready to get my ATP, the education office at my base told me the GI Bill wouldn't pay for just an ATP, that I needed to do the type rating as well. So, I explain it that way.
I would still do the type course again though, as a military guy, the brief insight I got into civilian training was priceless.
#6062
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Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Cap'n
Posts: 687
I love how they have OH-58A/C in there along with all those heavies! I actually got to check it along with the CRJ series Almost 1000 hours of IP time in that little thing !
Nothing wrong with planning and tending to all the eggs in ones basket while LOOKING for a career... I say whoever gets me first wins. But until then, I am going to plan and prepare for all options. I used the GI Bill to get the type, it was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it.... I would not leave US, UPS, FDX, Atlas, UAL, DAL etc once hired at any of them to go to SWA. However, until that happens, I see nothing wrong with preparing smartly for all options.
#6064
I, too, got the 737 type from HPA last year (GI Bill), and have it listed on my resume. Is it the opinion of most people, then, that it would be better to just list my ATP, CFI, etc. without the 737 type (only type rating I have), or is that something that is better explained as Lobeaux did face-to-face? I look at it as I've shown that I can learn a new airplane coming from a Navy tac-air background; but if it's more of a show-stopper before even getting to the interview, I would definitely reconsider taking it off my resume.
Any advice appreciated!
Any advice appreciated!
#6065
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
I, too, got the 737 type from HPA last year (GI Bill), and have it listed on my resume. Is it the opinion of most people, then, that it would be better to just list my ATP, CFI, etc. without the 737 type (only type rating I have), or is that something that is better explained as Lobeaux did face-to-face? I look at it as I've shown that I can learn a new airplane coming from a Navy tac-air background; but if it's more of a show-stopper before even getting to the interview, I would definitely reconsider taking it off my resume.
Any advice appreciated!
Any advice appreciated!
Now, my own opinion. There's nothing wrong with attending Higher Power, but there is a stigma about Southwest. It's something you'll have to explain why you have a no-time type. Attending Higher Power because the GI Bill paid for it is a perfectly good reason. Also, like you said, it shows that you can be taught and that you have a recency of training.
Overall, attending Higher Power (despite what they say down there in Fort Worth) is not going to get you a job or NOT going to get you a job. Just like everything else, it's one more cog in the machine. For some, you can put it in a positive light, ie. I learned a lot about civilian flight training, my GI Bill paid for it, I was interested in passenger flight operations, etc. For other airlines, it's best not to mention it, unless they ask you to prove a recency of training (like Airways).
FWIW, I haven't had an interview where I had to explain why I attended HP, it was at a job fair where I had left HP on my resume. I got the "so, if we call you on Monday, and Southwest calls you on Tuesday what will you do?". In the end, I haven't been called by that particular airline anyway, although I'd love to work for them.
Curiously enough, and this is a separate topic, I have counseled a couple of guys who are looking to be seperated out of the AF, due to not making rank, to apply at the regionals, especially if they don't have an ATP, which most of the guys being separated don't have and save their GI Bill. My logic was, go to the regionals, do everything to get hired (leave your ego at the door), get your ATP during training and spend a year or two or three learning 121 operations. The combination of military with regional experience should be sought after by the majors.
#6066
This isn't my opinion, although I agree with it. I was told by an individual who reviewed my resume and does interview prep to remove the Higher Power information. But, only for airlines that don't fly the 737. I left the type rating in my section titled "certifications", but removed the Higher Power reference from my resume all together for Spirit, Atlas, JetBlue and FedEx. I left it on there for Alaska, Airways, United and Delta.
Now, my own opinion. There's nothing wrong with attending Higher Power, but there is a stigma about Southwest. It's something you'll have to explain why you have a no-time type. Attending Higher Power because the GI Bill paid for it is a perfectly good reason. Also, like you said, it shows that you can be taught and that you have a recency of training.
Overall, attending Higher Power (despite what they say down there in Fort Worth) is not going to get you a job or NOT going to get you a job. Just like everything else, it's one more cog in the machine. For some, you can put it in a positive light, ie. I learned a lot about civilian flight training, my GI Bill paid for it, I was interested in passenger flight operations, etc. For other airlines, it's best not to mention it, unless they ask you to prove a recency of training (like Airways).
FWIW, I haven't had an interview where I had to explain why I attended HP, it was at a job fair where I had left HP on my resume. I got the "so, if we call you on Monday, and Southwest calls you on Tuesday what will you do?". In the end, I haven't been called by that particular airline anyway, although I'd love to work for them.
Curiously enough, and this is a separate topic, I have counseled a couple of guys who are looking to be seperated out of the AF, due to not making rank, to apply at the regionals, especially if they don't have an ATP, which most of the guys being separated don't have and save their GI Bill. My logic was, go to the regionals, do everything to get hired (leave your ego at the door), get your ATP during training and spend a year or two or three learning 121 operations. The combination of military with regional experience should be sought after by the majors.
Now, my own opinion. There's nothing wrong with attending Higher Power, but there is a stigma about Southwest. It's something you'll have to explain why you have a no-time type. Attending Higher Power because the GI Bill paid for it is a perfectly good reason. Also, like you said, it shows that you can be taught and that you have a recency of training.
Overall, attending Higher Power (despite what they say down there in Fort Worth) is not going to get you a job or NOT going to get you a job. Just like everything else, it's one more cog in the machine. For some, you can put it in a positive light, ie. I learned a lot about civilian flight training, my GI Bill paid for it, I was interested in passenger flight operations, etc. For other airlines, it's best not to mention it, unless they ask you to prove a recency of training (like Airways).
FWIW, I haven't had an interview where I had to explain why I attended HP, it was at a job fair where I had left HP on my resume. I got the "so, if we call you on Monday, and Southwest calls you on Tuesday what will you do?". In the end, I haven't been called by that particular airline anyway, although I'd love to work for them.
Curiously enough, and this is a separate topic, I have counseled a couple of guys who are looking to be seperated out of the AF, due to not making rank, to apply at the regionals, especially if they don't have an ATP, which most of the guys being separated don't have and save their GI Bill. My logic was, go to the regionals, do everything to get hired (leave your ego at the door), get your ATP during training and spend a year or two or three learning 121 operations. The combination of military with regional experience should be sought after by the majors.
#6067
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Underemployed!
Posts: 116
Maybe I'm missing something here, but doesn't your type show up on your certificate? Does omitting it on your resume/app really show transparency when they see it in your records? If I was in this situation, I think being up front from the get-go is how I would handle it. It's my .02...I don't have that type.
#6068
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Airplane
Posts: 2,385
Maybe I'm missing something here, but doesn't your type show up on your certificate? Does omitting it on your resume/app really show transparency when they see it in your records? If I was in this situation, I think being up front from the get-go is how I would handle it. It's my .02...I don't have that type.
#6069
That's a good point about it being listed on your certificate. I've had it on my resume since day one, just wanted to get some opinions on the effect it has when HR people look at it. I have it listed under my certificates and ratings section as well. It is very easily explained if/when I get to an interview that it was the best option for me at the time to get an ATP using the GI Bill, and not that I was specifically going for SWA.
I appreciate the input!
I appreciate the input!
#6070
Another thing I've seen some guys do--they list their Flight Engineer written test on their resume when applying to a company that doesn't have FEs. This kinda says "Purple is on my target list too"...(or at least back when they wanted the FE written). Like previously mentioned, a resume tailored to your target is a good idea.
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