Atlas Air Hiring
03-01-2012, 09:03 AM
#3111
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I can give you one piece of information that you CAN take to the bank: Atlas will not...repeat...will not...buy any operation that will involve the merging of seniority lists. They might buy assets...and maybe even offer preferential interview and hiring opportunities...but they will not buy an operation and go through an integration process or the risk of absorbing any employee group that they haven't had the chance to screen themselves.
And IIRC, even multiple certificates under the same holding company can get sticky as well. RAH, PCL, etc.
03-01-2012, 11:21 AM
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Exactly right, xjt. Sure Atlas has AMC contracts. So does Global. If Atlas wants GLOBAL'S AMC contracts, they'll need GLOBAL'S assets to service them. Duh.
And as far as the Atlas Inflight Department goes, that's in IAH, correct? So IF they take NAA and the NAA crews, they'll need supervisory help in JFK, no?
You guys need to pull your head out of the sand. Organic growth won't cut it when you want to take big steps. You've said yourself that the training department is maxxed out getting rid of the classics and standing up the 767 program.
Even SWA the penultimate "internal growth" organization bit the bullet and bought AAI. What makes you think Atlas management gives a darn about what pilots think/want. Having served in the Navy with your CP (if Mikey B is still there, that is!) I can attest to the fact that HE doesn't.
You also seem to want to ignore the fact that Atlas has already approached Global about buying NAA in the past. Global told them if they wanted NAA they had to take World, too. Atlas didn't want anything to do with the MD-11s so rejected the deal.
This bankruptcy takes care of the MD-11 question and offers Atlas the passenger 744s and 767s they covet. Its too neat a package.
And as far as the Atlas Inflight Department goes, that's in IAH, correct? So IF they take NAA and the NAA crews, they'll need supervisory help in JFK, no?
You guys need to pull your head out of the sand. Organic growth won't cut it when you want to take big steps. You've said yourself that the training department is maxxed out getting rid of the classics and standing up the 767 program.
Even SWA the penultimate "internal growth" organization bit the bullet and bought AAI. What makes you think Atlas management gives a darn about what pilots think/want. Having served in the Navy with your CP (if Mikey B is still there, that is!) I can attest to the fact that HE doesn't.
You also seem to want to ignore the fact that Atlas has already approached Global about buying NAA in the past. Global told them if they wanted NAA they had to take World, too. Atlas didn't want anything to do with the MD-11s so rejected the deal.
This bankruptcy takes care of the MD-11 question and offers Atlas the passenger 744s and 767s they covet. Its too neat a package.
03-01-2012, 11:26 AM
#3113
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I don't think it's so much a matter of what EXACTLY AAWW management will or won't do as far as how they decide to grow.
What would be MORE important would be the scope, merger, acquisition, and successorship language that was put into the new Atlas Pilot's CBA.
ESPECIALLY as it relates to being able to operate multiple certificates under the same holdings corp, etc. If at all.
Is the Polar certificate STILL active or is it going to die out or be sold off? Does the TITAN Leasing side have an operating certificate or is just that, a leasing company?
What would be MORE important would be the scope, merger, acquisition, and successorship language that was put into the new Atlas Pilot's CBA.
ESPECIALLY as it relates to being able to operate multiple certificates under the same holdings corp, etc. If at all.
Is the Polar certificate STILL active or is it going to die out or be sold off? Does the TITAN Leasing side have an operating certificate or is just that, a leasing company?
03-01-2012, 12:37 PM
#3115
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xjt,
We already operate under two Certificates...Atlas and Polar. And Polar certificate will stay as it is, since it is with the Polar certificate that we fly the DHL 744 flights.
Fish,
I agree with you that Management is not likely to ask my opinion on any issue...however, like ATC said above, Atlas has a proven way that they like to run their operation, and that includes mergers.
We already operate under two Certificates...Atlas and Polar. And Polar certificate will stay as it is, since it is with the Polar certificate that we fly the DHL 744 flights.
Fish,
I agree with you that Management is not likely to ask my opinion on any issue...however, like ATC said above, Atlas has a proven way that they like to run their operation, and that includes mergers.
03-01-2012, 05:03 PM
#3118
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Exactly right, xjt. Sure Atlas has AMC contracts. So does Global. If Atlas wants GLOBAL'S AMC contracts, they'll need GLOBAL'S assets to service them. Duh.
Um...no
And as far as the Atlas Inflight Department goes, that's in IAH, correct? So IF they take NAA and the NAA crews, they'll need supervisory help in JFK, no?
Correctomundo...no they won't. You clearly don't understand the way Atlas operates.
You guys need to pull your head out of the sand. Organic growth won't cut it when you want to take big steps. You've said yourself that the training department is maxxed out getting rid of the classics and standing up the 767 program.
Um...no again. The training department is running full because we have bodies on the property to train before we dip into the pool or invite more into the pool.
Even SWA the penultimate "internal growth" organization bit the bullet and bought AAI. What makes you think Atlas management gives a darn about what pilots think/want. Having served in the Navy with your CP (if Mikey B is still there, that is!) I can attest to the fact that HE doesn't.
Um..nope again...Mikey departed the CP fix a couple of years back...and he was far enough down the food chain that his opinions on decisions to acquire additional assets were not considered.
You also seem to want to ignore the fact that Atlas has already approached Global about buying NAA in the past. Global told them if they wanted NAA they had to take World, too. Atlas didn't want anything to do with the MD-11s so rejected the deal.
Define "past."
This bankruptcy takes care of the MD-11 question and offers Atlas the passenger 744s and 767s they covet. Its too neat a package.
Um...no
And as far as the Atlas Inflight Department goes, that's in IAH, correct? So IF they take NAA and the NAA crews, they'll need supervisory help in JFK, no?
Correctomundo...no they won't. You clearly don't understand the way Atlas operates.
You guys need to pull your head out of the sand. Organic growth won't cut it when you want to take big steps. You've said yourself that the training department is maxxed out getting rid of the classics and standing up the 767 program.
Um...no again. The training department is running full because we have bodies on the property to train before we dip into the pool or invite more into the pool.
Even SWA the penultimate "internal growth" organization bit the bullet and bought AAI. What makes you think Atlas management gives a darn about what pilots think/want. Having served in the Navy with your CP (if Mikey B is still there, that is!) I can attest to the fact that HE doesn't.
Um..nope again...Mikey departed the CP fix a couple of years back...and he was far enough down the food chain that his opinions on decisions to acquire additional assets were not considered.
You also seem to want to ignore the fact that Atlas has already approached Global about buying NAA in the past. Global told them if they wanted NAA they had to take World, too. Atlas didn't want anything to do with the MD-11s so rejected the deal.
Define "past."
This bankruptcy takes care of the MD-11 question and offers Atlas the passenger 744s and 767s they covet. Its too neat a package.
However...assuming they do want more AMC business? I suspect they have better contacts with the AMC folks than you might and also suspect that given their relationship with the AMC folks, they already have a plan on the shelf ready to go.
Which explains why they make lots of money.
03-01-2012, 05:44 PM
#3119
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Precisely. Moderators, can we please move these merger/buyout/daily rumor posts to their own area? Then we can get back to the business of helping good people join our merry band.
03-01-2012, 05:52 PM
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