Atlas Air Hiring
12-13-2023, 08:29 AM
On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 12
I'm not in hiring but I don't believe it would be correct to call this an "auto rejection". An auto rejection is when you submit your application and it's rejected straight away with no contact or feedback from the company.
In this case you were "screened" and THEN rejected for some reason. If they took the time to perform the screen they thought you were a viable candidate. Something must have been said or discovered during or after the screen to cause the rejection. Your training failure may not have been the reason alone, but together with something else that is not known to us here on the forum may have been enough to disqualify you.
Having been rejected myself from other airlines I understand how frustrating it is to not know the reason why, but all you can do is press on with other opportunities. And there are still a lot of other opportunities out there right now, as opposed to how it was for many many years.
Good luck.
In this case you were "screened" and THEN rejected for some reason. If they took the time to perform the screen they thought you were a viable candidate. Something must have been said or discovered during or after the screen to cause the rejection. Your training failure may not have been the reason alone, but together with something else that is not known to us here on the forum may have been enough to disqualify you.
Having been rejected myself from other airlines I understand how frustrating it is to not know the reason why, but all you can do is press on with other opportunities. And there are still a lot of other opportunities out there right now, as opposed to how it was for many many years.
Good luck.
12-16-2023, 05:48 PM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: 747-400/-8 CA
Posts: 47
And frankly from what I've seen, certain FO's who repeatedly regurgitate the "KnOw uR CbA" mantra here or especially on the FB page need to actually spend time with the *far* more important documents. Like the ones which exist to protect life and certificate. Perhaps said individuals can quote 25.Q.6.a. from memory at at the hearing after they ignorantly violate FOM regs...
12-16-2023, 05:54 PM
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Position: 747-400/-8 CA
Posts: 47
And frankly from what I've seen, certain FO's who repeatedly regurgitate the worn-out "KnOw uR CbA" mantra, especially on the FB page, desperately need to put down the keyboard and spend more time learning the far more important documents. Reciting 25.Q.6.a won't mean **** at the hearing after an ignorant crew blatantly violates FOM language....
12-16-2023, 06:04 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 216
No... that's a classic case of "Current CBA language is bull****". There are PLENTY of current 747 Captains in line patiently waiting for a MIA base award. Base / Seat should be seniority based. Obviously. We're not hiring street cappys here...
And frankly from what I've seen, certain FO's who repeatedly regurgitate the worn-out "KnOw uR CbA" mantra, especially on the FB page, desperately need to put down the keyboard and spend more time learning the far more important documents. Reciting 25.Q.6.a won't mean **** at the hearing after an ignorant crew blatantly violates FOM language....
And frankly from what I've seen, certain FO's who repeatedly regurgitate the worn-out "KnOw uR CbA" mantra, especially on the FB page, desperately need to put down the keyboard and spend more time learning the far more important documents. Reciting 25.Q.6.a won't mean **** at the hearing after an ignorant crew blatantly violates FOM language....
12-16-2023, 06:22 PM
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,609
No... that's a classic case of "Current CBA language is bull****". There are PLENTY of current 747 Captains in line patiently waiting for a MIA base award. Base / Seat should be seniority based. Obviously. We're not hiring street cappys here...
And frankly from what I've seen, certain FO's who repeatedly regurgitate the worn-out "KnOw uR CbA" mantra, especially on the FB page, desperately need to put down the keyboard and spend more time learning the far more important documents. Reciting 25.Q.6.a won't mean **** at the hearing after an ignorant crew blatantly violates FOM language....
And frankly from what I've seen, certain FO's who repeatedly regurgitate the worn-out "KnOw uR CbA" mantra, especially on the FB page, desperately need to put down the keyboard and spend more time learning the far more important documents. Reciting 25.Q.6.a won't mean **** at the hearing after an ignorant crew blatantly violates FOM language....
One of the items we have that is actually "Industry Standard".
12-17-2023, 05:33 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 737
I myself have no desire to go to MIA; that place is a godforsaken ****hole. And obviously if base swaps were truly senioirty based, they would go off of the standing bid list. You know.. where people input their base and seat requests... and thusly would be awarded by order of seniority. The very fact that it went so junior merely underscores my point, the current system is garbage. Again, this is all very obvious.
And it's swell that you're his little fanboi and that this gives you the giggles, but my original point stands. So study your FOM, twerp.
And it's swell that you're his little fanboi and that this gives you the giggles, but my original point stands. So study your FOM, twerp.
Base swaps don't require "vacancies". They just need two people who are willing to "swap" places. This is a good thing for when times are tough and vacancies don't exisit. We've seen those times before and we'll see them again.
Try to adapt.
12-17-2023, 07:47 AM
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: 747-400/-8 CA
Posts: 47
At what point did I ever use the word "vacancy"? For the second time: the swap system should be constructed to go off the standing bid list, thus honoring the seniority system. This FO upgrading directly to MIA captain in front of so many others highlights my point; the current system is broken.
Last edited by Wano; 12-17-2023 at 08:09 AM.
12-17-2023, 08:09 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 876
At what point did I ever use the word "vacancy"? The swap system should be constructed to go off the standing bid list, thus honoring the seniority system. How many times do I need to repeat myself? This FO upgrading directly to MIA captain in front of so many others highlights my point; the current system is broken.
The base swap process takes the desires of 22ish other FOs out of the equation.
As stated, if someone wants to move bases, they should utilize every option available to them. And as always, seniority rules.
I agree that we should be studying the FOM, and FCOM, and reviewing the CPATs. I am pretty sure at least one of those manuals discusses professional standards and conduct as a crew. Calling anyone, let alone a fellow crew member, a "Twerp" is unbecoming of an ATP rated Giant pilot.
12-17-2023, 10:03 AM
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: 747-400/-8 CA
Posts: 47
If I am in PDX and want to go to IAH, and someone in IAH wants to PDX, we could wait months or years for a vacancy to open in both bases for us to be able to move.
The base swap process takes the desires of 22ish other FOs out of the equation.
As stated, if someone wants to move bases, they should utilize every option available to them. And as always, seniority rules.
I agree that we should be studying the FOM, and FCOM, and reviewing the CPATs. I am pretty sure at least one of those manuals discusses professional standards and conduct as a crew. Calling anyone, let alone a fellow crew member, a "Twerp" is unbecoming of an ATP rated Giant pilot.
The base swap process takes the desires of 22ish other FOs out of the equation.
As stated, if someone wants to move bases, they should utilize every option available to them. And as always, seniority rules.
I agree that we should be studying the FOM, and FCOM, and reviewing the CPATs. I am pretty sure at least one of those manuals discusses professional standards and conduct as a crew. Calling anyone, let alone a fellow crew member, a "Twerp" is unbecoming of an ATP rated Giant pilot.
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