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Old 12-22-2022, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lionhaart
The odds of Delta taking in 1700 tt applicants like they did in 2021 are much slimmer now.

I’m not sure how the airlines can be so bullish - the again if daddy government bails you out when things don’t work…but I digress
Bottom Line: Airlines will always continue to hire until they’re not. Probably a good bet on the gov stuff, but there’s also the attempt to gobble up the remaining of those with experience above and beyond the minimum requirements as the industries pool dwindles down to said minimum requirements and are forced to hire from the flat line predominantly. As proof, all requirements at most if not all airlines have fallen and some to just FAA requirements - may not get picked but you can still apply and not be immediately discarded. Just another cyclic wave until the next event.

Timing is everything. Get on board with your dream job as fast and young as possible for as much job security an airline can provide (a wildcard at times), retirement they can provide and of course to benefit from seniority at its best down the road in a nutshell.

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Old 12-24-2022, 10:13 AM
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Bottom Line: Airlines will always continue to hire until they’re not. Probably a good bet on the gov stuff, but there’s also the attempt to gobble up the remaining of those with experience above and beyond the minimum requirements as the industries pool dwindles down to said minimum requirements and are forced to hire from the flat line predominantly. As proof, all requirements at most if not all airlines have fallen and some to just FAA requirements - may not get picked but you can still apply and not be immediately discarded. Just another cyclic wave until the next event.

Timing is everything. Get on board with your dream job as fast and young as possible for as much job security an airline can provide (a wildcard at times), retirement they can provide and of course to benefit from seniority at its best down the road in a nutshell.
Reiterate, reiterate, reiterate, again.
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Old 12-25-2022, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Lionhaart
thats not sure. Regionals will have you sit reserve and maybe you’ll fly. This can potentially last a year or two…resulting in the crash pad and standby lifestyle.

on top of that regionals are not as stable as Atlas. Look at Mesa right now.

in the meantime, at atlas you get a decent year one paycheck with no strings attached even through training.

you also get a 737 type which is the most used type in the world I believe,

AND you get access to wide body flying in two years. The flying is kinda fun too.

let’s be honest, the hiring of 2021 was a fluke. The odds of Delta taking in 1700 tt applicants like they did in 2021 are much slimmer now.

I’m not sure how the airlines can be so bullish - the again if daddy government bails you out when things don’t work…but I digress
You must be working for Atlas HR if you think 737 flying is that great. It is NOT for young inspired aviators who would like to add some flight time really quick. The original poster is correct 100%
This is not 1990s where getting a 737 type will get you in the door of Southwest. They have been hiring people w/out 737 type for some time.
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Old 12-28-2022, 09:11 PM
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A quick question for those of you who are already at Atlas or were selected for an interview:

They have some pretty specific instructions for uploading your logbook, including a request to "HIGHLIGHT Career progressive check rides, (e.g., SOLO, Private Pilot, Commercial, Instrument, MEI, ATP, etc.)"

I've done two 121 type rating checkrides, including my ATP ride, in-sim of course. However, I didn't log the sim entries in my logbook, as I'd heard that most airlines don't care about sim time on applications. The records of my checkrides, of course, can be found in the PRD and the fact that I hold the ATP and type ratings. Has anyone else gotten hired without having these checkrides specifically entered in their logbooks? I'm willing to bet the answer is yes, but just want to make sure. Much appreciated in advance, APC hive-mind.
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Old 12-29-2022, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Snapshot217
A quick question for those of you who are already at Atlas or were selected for an interview:

They have some pretty specific instructions for uploading your logbook, including a request to "HIGHLIGHT Career progressive check rides, (e.g., SOLO, Private Pilot, Commercial, Instrument, MEI, ATP, etc.)"

I've done two 121 type rating checkrides, including my ATP ride, in-sim of course. However, I didn't log the sim entries in my logbook, as I'd heard that most airlines don't care about sim time on applications. The records of my checkrides, of course, can be found in the PRD and the fact that I hold the ATP and type ratings. Has anyone else gotten hired without having these checkrides specifically entered in their logbooks? I'm willing to bet the answer is yes, but just want to make sure. Much appreciated in advance, APC hive-mind.
Yes. I don’t (didn’t) log type or recurrent rides in logbook. No one said a word. It felt like uploading the logs was just checking the box. I’m sure someone looked at them and may have said something if it didn’t feel right (?), but no one said anything to me during the whole process.
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Old 12-29-2022, 07:06 AM
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Yes. Just have your PPL, Comm, Instrument, Multi, CFI, etc tabbed (or whatever they’re looking for today) in your logbook for easy verification.
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Old 12-29-2022, 10:31 AM
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Alternatively get your records from the FAA, 8710’s etc.
Why they’re looking for this now is beyond me as couple of years ago they never even asked to see a logbook.
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Old 12-29-2022, 11:24 AM
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Thanks for the replies gents. I managed to obtain training records from my current and previous employer plus my PRD transcript, so I imagine that will be sufficient if they ask. Just want to make sure nothing will disqualify my app; I got a TBNT last year (suspect because of a recent gap I took from flying) so just want to make sure all my ducks are in a row this time around...
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Old 12-29-2022, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Snapshot217
Thanks for the replies gents. I managed to obtain training records from my current and previous employer plus my PRD transcript, so I imagine that will be sufficient if they ask. Just want to make sure nothing will disqualify my app; I got a TBNT last year (suspect because of a recent gap I took from flying) so just want to make sure all my ducks are in a row this time around...
It’s likely the gap was the issue. IIRC I photocopied the pages outta my logbook, highlighted the relevant parts, and then scanned them back in and that was fine. Away from the home PC for Christmas so I can’t look to verify but will in the next 4-5 days.

PRD wasn’t really a thing before my ATP due to some “gap years” so YMMV.
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Old 12-29-2022, 06:49 PM
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Hello everyone. I have been on the fence for quite some time now about a potential career with Atlas. I am approaching 1500 hours (no ATP yet) with 600 turbine as a charter first officer in a light jet. I meet the wide body minimums but I am wondering if a low-experience first officer like myself would have trouble making it through type training with an ATP in a 767/777/747. I have not been through any sort of 121 training. Is it likely that I would even be hired onto a wide body with my flight experience?
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