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08-25-2022, 10:11 PM
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and then has never been a goal of 1000 for this year.
08-25-2022, 10:51 PM
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08-26-2022, 03:49 AM
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Maybe we're being a little hard on each other? Are any of these estimates better than hearsay? A lot goes into how you count these numbers too. Does 500, 350 or 1000 include upgrades and transitions? Is the limiting factor simulators? Does this include routine simulator breakdowns? Does this include extra sim sessions for people who may be struggling? What about limiting factors around administrative processing or OE bottlenecks?
My point is this: Here or anywhere I've been estimates of training center capacity have been very rough estimates at best. Also it's very, very common to hear "There's no way we'll be able to train enough people to...", but almost always the training capacity can meet demand. There's always a reservoir of ambitious youth waiting to fill in and expand certain training roles (I was one.). There's always a reservoir of people in the training center looking to move up. There are plenty of contract simulators out there for rent unless you're flying something rare. Any limitations on resources or training staffing we encounter will be short-lived. So real training capacity is more elastic than we tend to believe. A more significant limiting factor is FAA approval. They are the ones that approve our training manuals which define the issues that restrict us. Even this, at the end of the day, isn't much better than hearsay. They may be hard-nosed in their attitudes one day and lax on another. Our restrictions can change with the stroke of a pen.
We haven't even started seriously talking about training in the airplane or doing any of the other stuff that was common in 1985. If we're looking at training capacity to provide a window into our futures, I believe we're looking through frosted glass.
My point is this: Here or anywhere I've been estimates of training center capacity have been very rough estimates at best. Also it's very, very common to hear "There's no way we'll be able to train enough people to...", but almost always the training capacity can meet demand. There's always a reservoir of ambitious youth waiting to fill in and expand certain training roles (I was one.). There's always a reservoir of people in the training center looking to move up. There are plenty of contract simulators out there for rent unless you're flying something rare. Any limitations on resources or training staffing we encounter will be short-lived. So real training capacity is more elastic than we tend to believe. A more significant limiting factor is FAA approval. They are the ones that approve our training manuals which define the issues that restrict us. Even this, at the end of the day, isn't much better than hearsay. They may be hard-nosed in their attitudes one day and lax on another. Our restrictions can change with the stroke of a pen.
We haven't even started seriously talking about training in the airplane or doing any of the other stuff that was common in 1985. If we're looking at training capacity to provide a window into our futures, I believe we're looking through frosted glass.
08-26-2022, 08:45 AM
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Maybe we're being a little hard on each other? Are any of these estimates better than hearsay? A lot goes into how you count these numbers too. Does 500, 350 or 1000 include upgrades and transitions? Is the limiting factor simulators? Does this include routine simulator breakdowns? Does this include extra sim sessions for people who may be struggling? What about limiting factors around administrative processing or OE bottlenecks?
My point is this: Here or anywhere I've been estimates of training center capacity have been very rough estimates at best. Also it's very, very common to hear "There's no way we'll be able to train enough people to...", but almost always the training capacity can meet demand. There's always a reservoir of ambitious youth waiting to fill in and expand certain training roles (I was one.). There's always a reservoir of people in the training center looking to move up. There are plenty of contract simulators out there for rent unless you're flying something rare. Any limitations on resources or training staffing we encounter will be short-lived. So real training capacity is more elastic than we tend to believe. A more significant limiting factor is FAA approval. They are the ones that approve our training manuals which define the issues that restrict us. Even this, at the end of the day, isn't much better than hearsay. They may be hard-nosed in their attitudes one day and lax on another. Our restrictions can change with the stroke of a pen.
We haven't even started seriously talking about training in the airplane or doing any of the other stuff that was common in 1985. If we're looking at training capacity to provide a window into our futures, I believe we're looking through frosted glass.
My point is this: Here or anywhere I've been estimates of training center capacity have been very rough estimates at best. Also it's very, very common to hear "There's no way we'll be able to train enough people to...", but almost always the training capacity can meet demand. There's always a reservoir of ambitious youth waiting to fill in and expand certain training roles (I was one.). There's always a reservoir of people in the training center looking to move up. There are plenty of contract simulators out there for rent unless you're flying something rare. Any limitations on resources or training staffing we encounter will be short-lived. So real training capacity is more elastic than we tend to believe. A more significant limiting factor is FAA approval. They are the ones that approve our training manuals which define the issues that restrict us. Even this, at the end of the day, isn't much better than hearsay. They may be hard-nosed in their attitudes one day and lax on another. Our restrictions can change with the stroke of a pen.
We haven't even started seriously talking about training in the airplane or doing any of the other stuff that was common in 1985. If we're looking at training capacity to provide a window into our futures, I believe we're looking through frosted glass.
08-26-2022, 08:57 AM
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Try not to be so literal in all things. But to your point - where do you think corporate culture comes from? The top down or the bottom up? Also, as a potential candidate it could be viewed as a metaphor (and in Atlas’ case should be) as a peek behind the curtain at those that pull the levers & how they will ultimately treat you in substantive ways like contracts.
08-26-2022, 09:30 AM
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Try not to be so literal in all things. But to your point - where do you think corporate culture comes from? The top down or the bottom up? Also, as a potential candidate it could be viewed as a metaphor (and in Atlas’ case should be) as a peek behind the curtain at those that pull the levers & how they will ultimately treat you in substantive ways like contracts.
08-27-2022, 05:57 AM
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There does not seem to be any reason to believe this to be true. The E-3 visas for the Aussies and Green Cards are the most popular tracks. All other visas require quite a bit of time, effort and dollars. At this time Atlas is not sponsoring them.
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