zerozero

Complains when union fails.
Complains when union succeeds.
Lotta posts with nothing really constructive to add. Just a complainer.

Swakid8

‘Well they did match my full 10% into my 401K, still waiting for that 2% DC to be retro and kick in….

Mikeey69

I know I was thinking the same thing.

Mikeey69

Well that’s a good sign. Maybe just BS then.

mcfadden

From what I remember, TiredSoul was most upset that first year pilots had been "thrown under the bus". I'm glad the union never asked him his opinion before negotiating the AIP.

akfrtdwg 57

Well going out on a limb. I'm pretty sure it was management that threw FUTURE new hires under the bus. Although I fail to see how someone gets thrown under the bus when they currently don't work here. The current guys I know in training got a pay bump because of the deal because their pay rates remained the same and training pay was eliminated. So if anything they WEREN'T thrown upon the alternator for sacrifice. So we gave on first year pay but we gained so much more long term. Worth the trade by far considering the majority of people that are leaving have less than a year on property. But again, those currently here had zero change in their pay, or their pay increased if they were in training. This effects upcoming new hires only. So they should knowwhat they are getting into before they come here so there is no betrayal as he consistently portrays. They are still making more first year here than at UPS. So I fail to see the big gripe. If recruitment lags as a result of this he union will probably be approached and they'll adjust first year pay. But I fail to see any benefit of rewarding the people who are most likely to leave anyways. You just can't make him happy. He's bound to complain about anything done even if it's a one sided gain for us. Such as the LTD or the DC. The fact we have the language in the contract was not even close enough. He lists them as failures. I mean COME ON! Progress needs to be acknowledged at the very least and he can't even do that.

JohnnyBekkestad

Good reply thanks, and I agree you should know what you get into. When I interviewed I was told 117, however due to commitments I’m wasn’t able to start immediately and now it’s 92, which is already a pay cut for me, specially for the 64hours. Will it stop me? Probably not, but it was quite a revelation yesterday and I fight I now have to take with my wife…
can you tell me about the LTD, I see it’s 10k and can be added up to 15k, does that mean that the first 10k is offered at company expense and if I wanted I could pay for the added 5000?

thrustisamust

Even with a lower hourly this is an effective raise for year 1 since there no longer is training pay of $1600/month.

Assume 4 months of training pay and use min guarantee of 64 to do the math.

Old pay:
4x1600= 6400 plus 8 months at 117x64=59,904
total year 1 is 66,304

New Pay:

92x64x12= 70,656.

JohnnyBekkestad

fair, but what if you do more than 64? Let’s say you VX or outbase.

jbtc13029

Then obviously you would make more $. Outbase min is over 100 hrs (I don’t remember the #).


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