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Old 11-22-2019, 03:34 PM
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Atlas Air and Southern Air Prevail in Appeals Court Ruling Against Teamsters Pilot Union

PURCHASE, N.Y., November 21, 2019 – Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAWW) today confirmed that its subsidiaries Atlas Air, Inc. and Southern Air, Inc. have prevailed in another legal dispute with the union that represents its pilots in ongoing negotiations, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

The decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit affirms a March 13, 2018, decision by the Southern District Court of New York compelling the Teamsters to arbitrate whether the merger provisions in Atlas Air and Southern Air’s collective bargaining agreements apply to the bargaining process. Today’s decision, as well as two binding decisions by arbitrators rendered in favor of both Atlas Air and Southern Air this summer, have made clear that IBT must engage in the current Atlas Air and Southern Air collective bargaining agreements’ expedited and defined process for achieving a joint collective bargaining agreement.

In a separate labor-related decision rendered in July 2019, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia unanimously affirmed a federal district court ruling in November 2017 that ordered the union to stop an intentional and illegal work slowdown by Atlas Air pilots in violation of the Railway Labor Act. The unanimous ruling from a three-judge panel upheld the lower-court order that blocked the union from continuing to engage in improper activities such as excessive sick calls on short notice or refusing to volunteer for open time.

“With these decisions behind us, it’s time for the union to honor its obligations under the collective bargaining agreements and these binding decisions. Specifically, the union has an obligation to produce an integrated seniority list and engage in direct bargaining for a defined and limited period of time. In ongoing negotiations, the union has yet to provide us with a comprehensive economic proposal covering pay and benefits for evaluation. We remain committed to working collaboratively with union leaders to efficiently negotiate and complete the contract,” said William J. Flynn, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Atlas Air Worldwide.
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:18 AM
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Ok so you won? Congratulations!
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:18 PM
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It’s called a Pyrrhic victory...

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Old 12-03-2019, 11:56 PM
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Heard that Atlas' last new hire class for the 747 had 17 show for 28 new hire positions. There are reasons that the new hire class was not full.
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Old 12-06-2019, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
I paid $6,000 in union dues and assessments this year, that was my support and enthusiasm. All in! Keep those newhire pizzas, lanyards, booting and shopping, winery retreats, retarded ATAMs, steak dinners and endless UB coming! It’s a winning strategy and the company is really feeling the pain!
You seem like the guy who has it all figured out. Would you care to enlighten us with your winning strategy and join in on the effort or do you just feel more comfortable not lifting a finger while you badmouth your fellow pilots?

Also, you mentioned how much you paid to the union but failed to mention how much the company stole from you by deliberately underpaying you while suppressing your wages. Could you share how much Purchase stole from you this year, last year, and every year since you have been a pilot here?

Does it bother you at all that the people working in the C-Suite in Purchase, New York would pay an almost limitless amount of money to ensure that they do not have to pay you any more at all?
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Old 12-06-2019, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
You seem like the guy who has it all figured out. Would you care to enlighten us with your winning strategy and join in on the effort or do you just feel more comfortable not lifting a finger while you badmouth your fellow pilots?

Also, you mentioned how much you paid to the union but failed to mention how much the company stole from you by deliberately underpaying you while suppressing your wages. Could you share how much Purchase stole from you this year, last year, and every year since you have been a pilot here?

Does it bother you at all that the people working in the C-Suite in Purchase, New York would pay an almost limitless amount of money to ensure that they do not have to pay you any more at all?
First of all, you don’t want to be enlightened. You and your cronies are so out of the loop with what anyone wants, that’s why people want you decertified. The calls about “dropping the assessment” are so desperate and transparent, people are laughing while you scramble to write another giantcomms masterpiece. Second, the company has never stolen a dime from me. I have been paid every penny, at the rate I agreed to when I signed up to work here, same as you.
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Old 12-07-2019, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
First of all, you don’t want to be enlightened. You and your cronies are so out of the loop with what anyone wants, that’s why people want you decertified. The calls about “dropping the assessment” are so desperate and transparent, people are laughing while you scramble to write another giantcomms masterpiece. Second, the company has never stolen a dime from me. I have been paid every penny, at the rate I agreed to when I signed up to work here, same as you.
I got it, low self-worth and anti-union. Management is your daddy.

Whether you choose to lie to yourself about it or not, management is and has been stealing half of your salary from you for years. You choose to focus on the 2% you pay out to the union that is soon to be reduced but you conveniently turn a blind eye to the 50%-60% that you are being exploited by management over.

If the grade card for management is the pay you came here for, then I am sure you will be happy with the same pay and work rules from when you started until you retire, no matter how many decades that is. Maybe you will be able to lie to yourself and come up with all kinds of excuses of why we should not be making what every other single airline pilot in the country is making. Whatever you come up with, just know that the real reason you don't believe you are worth it is because of self-esteem issues.

You have demonstrated that you don't have any creative ideas, but that doesn't stop you from complaining and you don't know the facts. Dropping the assessment is recorded in the quarterly EXCO meeting record way before this APU scheme was ever thought up. You may operate on emotion but we do not. You may think "dropping the assessment" is desperate and transparent but the reality is that the decision was made because we are in a position of financial strength now after years of building up the financials.

Further, this APU drive will fail miserably or I should probably say that it already has.
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
I got it, low self-worth and anti-union. Management is your daddy.

Whether you choose to lie to yourself about it or not, management is and has been stealing half of your salary from you for years. You choose to focus on the 2% you pay out to the union that is soon to be reduced but you conveniently turn a blind eye to the 50%-60% that you are being exploited by management over.

If the grade card for management is the pay you came here for, then I am sure you will be happy with the same pay and work rules from when you started until you retire, no matter how many decades that is. Maybe you will be able to lie to yourself and come up with all kinds of excuses of why we should not be making what every other single airline pilot in the country is making. Whatever you come up with, just know that the real reason you don't believe you are worth it is because of self-esteem issues.

You have demonstrated that you don't have any creative ideas, but that doesn't stop you from complaining and you don't know the facts. Dropping the assessment is recorded in the quarterly EXCO meeting record way before this APU scheme was ever thought up. You may operate on emotion but we do not. You may think "dropping the assessment" is desperate and transparent but the reality is that the decision was made because we are in a position of financial strength now after years of building up the financials.

Further, this APU drive will fail miserably or I should probably say that it already has.
That condescending and unprofessional attitude is exactly what people are talking about. Keep it coming though, you’re making my point. The APU drive might fail, but we certainly will never recover the pay that’s been lost due to your losing strategy. It might just put the company out of business. We have squandered the greatest economic and negotiating climate of our lives. If you all had just followed the contract we would be starting negotiations again right about now. Either way, your group will be going the way of the Dodo after this is sorted out like it could have been 3+ years ago.
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
That condescending and unprofessional attitude is exactly what people are talking about. Keep it coming though, you’re making my point. The APU drive might fail, but we certainly will never recover the pay that’s been lost due to your losing strategy. It might just put the company out of business. We have squandered the greatest economic and negotiating climate of our lives. If you all had just followed the contract we would be starting negotiations again right about now. Either way, your group will be going the way of the Dodo after this is sorted out like it could have been 3+ years ago.
Oh, I understand. Rush to average our CBA with a bankruptcy CBA at Southern. If we would have done that...

Paycuts for Atlas pilots.
Increased number of days for work from 17 up to 20.
Reduction in 401k.
Reduction in medical benefits.

It is easy to forget what Bill Flynn stated they were going to do to us when they announced to the investors that they were buying Southern Air. We have prevented a further erosion of our current CBA. You are welcome.
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Old 12-07-2019, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
Oh, I understand. Rush to average our CBA with a bankruptcy CBA at Southern. If we would have done that...

Paycuts for Atlas pilots.
Increased number of days for work from 17 up to 20.
Reduction in 401k.
Reduction in medical benefits.

It is easy to forget what Bill Flynn stated they were going to do to us when they announced to the investors that they were buying Southern Air. We have prevented a further erosion of our current CBA. You are welcome.
Alaska and Virgin just proved that’s not how that works. The threat of “Amalgamation“ was the probably biggest lie told by the union. Regardless, that threat has now passed with the parity of Southern. What’s the next excuse?
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