Atlas Air Hiring
06-16-2018, 01:57 PM
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Yes, yes, I too would love to find out more information about the data theft. Never let a good story get in the way of the facts. LMAO
06-16-2018, 02:01 PM
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Because losers live in the past. Winners create the future. We have all made our choices to define us and some repeatedly choose to be losers. I know that is a personal choice but the least they could do is get the facts straight. If nothing else, at least this is all mildly entertaining know/living through what really happened.
06-16-2018, 03:13 PM
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You're the one saying a "Retirement LOA was shut down by CK"... What was in that Retirement LOA? A pension... That JC was never going to give us anyway. It was Lucy with the Football, but that's why CK called the old guard out on it as it would've been horrible for 80% of the group who didn't want it. At the time surveys of the pilot group and contract studies were being put together (by CK) so we as a group could decide what WE want. CK ran openly about this information and was elected off of a losing slate.
06-16-2018, 03:15 PM
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It's a pretty good question.
06-16-2018, 03:16 PM
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06-16-2018, 04:39 PM
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That is a good question, but what exactly do you mean by an AAWW controlled retirement? A traditional pension? If so, no to any and all traditional pensions because they can go away on a whim (as we've seen throughout history), or are used to be dangled like a carrot in negotiations, bankruptcy, etc, (as we've also seen throughout history). Also, no to anything Teamsters since their overall "staying power" as an entity will likely be slowly reduced by automation, ineffectiveness, AI, and other factors across many industries. The only real solution is a similar plan to Delta/United where you keep the money the second it's depositied into an account.
06-16-2018, 06:58 PM
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That is a good question, but what exactly do you mean by an AAWW controlled retirement? A traditional pension? If so, no to any and all traditional pensions because they can go away on a whim (as we've seen throughout history), or are used to be dangled like a carrot in negotiations, bankruptcy, etc, (as we've also seen throughout history). Also, no to anything Teamsters since their overall "staying power" as an entity will likely be slowly reduced by automation, ineffectiveness, AI, and other factors across many industries. The only real solution is a similar plan to Delta/United where you keep the money the second it's depositied into an account.
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