boeingdvr

Yep. Company has sued us again. Thus dragging this out. They are dead set on never paying us more money.

34 day trips for 45k a year. Yes. It's true.

Champeen07

There are a lot of dumpster fire companies out there, but this sounds like one of the worst. Honestly, even the bottom regional flying sounds better than whats going on at Atlas.

boeingdvr

First year GOJet pilot makes more than 3rd year widebody FO at Atlas.

Atlas- 34 day trips.
Go Jet- 4 day trips.
Atlas-45k first year
GOJet- 100k ( with bonus )
Atlas- commute to ANC two days before work
GOJet- Commute day of.

rmr1992

34 day trips is BS... maybe over at southern it could happen with their non-existent work rules; however, current contract prevents this... section 25.B of CBA prevents more than 17 consecutive without 7 off unless you volunteer for it. You could also volunteer for it as part of bid process, by checking a box to allow it. Moreover, max duty in one month is 17 days with up to max 3 day extension under certain circumstances... also in section 25. Try reading the current POS CBA we have, it does have a few, albeit weak, protections... There's enough real good reasons why this situation sucks, let's not completely make stuff up.

Atrasaty

I have explained the reality of this section here several times. It DOES NOT protect you from extended periods on the road. I HAVE been assigned 17 days followed by one day off and then another 17 days. Their contention being that is not more than 17 consecutive days and thus I was not entitled to the 7 day block. The intention was to protect, the company interpretation is as above.

Abandon hope all ye who enter here.

rmr1992

If it happened, it is a CBA violation. Did you contact a steward or the scheduling committee or just complain about it here? Can't happen unless you volunteer for it... Scheduling system prevents them from awarding the conflicting lines unless you check the box at the top of the page in the system. I have had to check this box once to allow me to bid for the days I needed off late in the next bid month, but you have to uncheck it next time around or it stays like that and then you CAN possibly be assigned a schedule you don't want. However, it's also likely you aren't eligible for many of those lines due to FAR flight hours limitations, which the system will not allow to be assigned even if you volunteer for them. Regardless, if it did happen to you, it is/was a CBA violation.

Per CBA, 25B....

"A Crewmember shall not be involuntarily assigned to any schedule that would require any duty in excess of seventeen (17) consecutive Duty Days without an intervening seven (7) consecutive scheduled Days Off, except as specifically provided for in subsection 25.L.2.a., below. The Company may adjust an affected Crewmember’s Bid Line in the second month in order to provide the minimum number of consecutive Days Off (or fewer if agreed upon by the Crewmember) or assign the Crewmember a Reserve Line for the second Bid Month."

CandlerKid

How about this one:

17 day trip > 3 day extension > Recurrent training > 17 day trip. 3 day extension with one day off before recurrent (they don't have to send you home for that) eats up your week off. Now you're out 41.

JT8D

Nope you're not getting it. The company will intentionally avoid building lines which have a full block of 17 days ending on the last day of the month. They will instead have a block of 17 followed by a single off day immediately prior to months' end. That way, if a crewmember is assigned a schedule in the subsequent month which begins with 17 on, he has no protection because neither CONSECUTIVE block exceeds 17 days. I'm sure SL and his homies are especially proud of this little trick; they use it all the time.

And yes, I've contacted stewards regarding this issue multiple times, and no I did not check that stupid box in AIMS. Regardless, no protection in this company-crafted scenario.

Now, is that lone X day really a day off? Or is it merely a steaming lump of dog 💩 thrown in the face of an employee group who works harder than any of their peers in the industry?

boeingdvr

Exactly-

How about a 17 day trip ( plus count the 2 day commute to ANC ) a 3 day extension. Now your at 22 days.

Maybe training or failed bidding, commute back to ANC. For another 17 trip.

Very easy to be out 40 days with a few days off in there somewhere.

If you bid it- you own it.

Tacos

You do not have to check the box to get back to back 17 day trips. A guy I just flew with was dealing with this during our trip. He got clarification. All you have to do is mess up your bid. The minimum days off between the trips only applies to lines granted to you by the company. So if you bid 10 choices, and you didn’t get any of them, therefore the system assigns you a schedule, it must give you a minimum number of days in between. However, if you bid a line that starts on day 1 or a month, it will award it and you will not get those days off in between trips, box check doesn’t matter. You have, in a way, agreed to it. This may not be true but it’s what happens and I have been told it’s legal. Therefore, even though it’s the crew members fault, an accident perhaps, you aren’t protected.

It’s amazing how many holes are in this contract. It makes the old regional contract I worked for seem like a mainline contract. Many people here have been here so long they don’t realize what it’s like in the outside world.