5Ypilot

This just simply isn't true. I don't want to call someone a liar but this is absolutely untrue. With a late Z start and a early Z end the rig is well, below what is stated. On the DHL network a split line with 2 late Z starts and early Z ends will credit in the 60's. Also any vac, sick, or training conflict drops you to guarantee. I am 7th year, I average 3.5 hours over guarantee when I divide my over guarantee pay over the year. 65.5 hours average credit per month. Just the facts, no spin.

If you don't call in sick, and don't take vacation, you could reasonably average in the 70's but expecting 80 hrs is unrealistic. At least for now, I am sure we will get that fixed in the next two years.

Mojouo

Y'all, here is the deal. End of the day I am just happy to be here. It's better than where I came from. I fly a nice plane, see some cool places, and generally hang out with a lot of fun laid back other pilots. I know we need a new contract, more pay and more time off is always appreciated. It pains me though to see a split pilot group. Some are chill and laid back and just waiting on a contract to come, while others seem to devote their life to it and it consumes them. I fully appreciate those who make the sacrifice and have that time in their life to fight the good fight. Thank you. Just don't make Atlas out to be a bad place...it isn't at all. It could be a lot better, but it could also be a lot worse. Just my $0.02.

5Ypilot

Waiting around and riding coat tails isn't getting us anywhere.

Davetastic

Not true for YOU doesn't make it not true regardless of how long you have been here. I don't need to justify my paycheck to you or anybody just to prove a point but Aug. was a vacation month for me so I got min guarantee. July: 18.97 above. June: 28.26 above. How is this lying?

DH's and alternate travel commercial into position on the front end of patterns and I stay home while on rig.

No spin, just leveraging the schedule to stay home and get paid. I NEVER said you can expect 80 hours.....I am merely stating what I have been accustomed to getting.

But don't get me wrong either.....we have a poor pay structure and we have a poor contract and we are in need of improvements to our business processes and work conditions.

5Ypilot

Okay, just keeping it real

5Ypilot

Wait....28 above? 90hrs? Okay, so you worked someoff days somehow. Good job.

Davetastic

Perhaps yes, but not operating.....the company is stingy with credit so they have been putting DH's on the end of patterns. I have been taking snapshots, accepting the changes, getting released and taking Polar flights home. I have been flying QF lines which are notoriously late so my patterned DH rig continues into days off while I am at home. This is my definition of SHOPing and it does not undercut our union position.

CargoPirate

Whether you believe it or not....you are undercutting the union position.

Whether you operate it or not by allowing even DH on off days you are hurting the rest of us. Justify however you want but don't think you are fooling anyone.

Davetastic

Some posters come here just to negate, refute, argue and oppose positions just to give themselves a reason to speak up. When justified, I agree with those that have a sound argument with which to take a stand so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here for not clearly understanding me. Because, without explaining your reasoning behind saying that by following the CBA, I am undercutting the unions position, then you are just boxing yourself into the aforementioned category. So, let me clarify.....


...Scheduling puts the DH on my pattern prior to end of pattern of which I accept. I don't ask for it nor can I decline as it is an allowable change per the CBA. Because it is a DH at the end of pattern, I ask to be released and I am per the CBA. I then take a different, earlier flight home but the flight on my pattern of which shows me DHing back to base, gets delayed into my X days of which I am paid for an involuntary extension per the CBA. Now, how is this undercutting the union position? One would think that to demand getting paid per the CBA is a good thing wouldn't you agree?

Now if you don't understand that, you just can't fix ignorance.

zerozero

Wait. What?

What you're ACTUALLY doing is THEIR JOB of getting you home.

Nice that you can jigger the deal so CRT runs while you're at home. Nice for YOU. But make no mistake, you're relieving the company of the burden to return you home.

You're helping yourself (first) and the company (second). To hell with everyone else.

These are the sort of internal rationalizations that will stop when we look ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves: Who am I helping? Myself? The Company? Or my Colleagues.

Just because you *think* you're sticking it to the company with your CRT running at home doesn't mean you're actually SHOPing.

That's just looking out for yourself.

/dogpile