thesandbox

All you need to know....after almost two weeks or negotiating with the company this month they still couldn't even come to a TA over Furlough and Recall and Leaves or Absence which they spent all of this week on trying to finish. The goal is to simply move from obsolete 1990’s contract language to modern contract language that is consistent with what is found throughout the industry. I guess they don't need pilots that bad to run this business.

DC8DRIVER

You seem to be content at Atlas, but you're still missing the point. The more pilots that get hired here, the less prone the company will be to get serious about negotiations.

"... not wise to bite the hand that feeds us???"

Our Executive team awarded themselves a 66 million dollar bonus that was earned from our efforts. And we got nothing!

I say take their stinking hand and shove it into a friggin' wood chipper!

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newto121

I interviewed about six months ago and I was not offered a job. Anybody knows if applicants are getting hired on a second try?

Do they stick to the "one year wait before reapplying" rule or could I apply again six months after my first interview?

Is Atlas is hiring for 747 class or just 767?

Thanks

RyeMex

As of right now classes for the rest of 2017 are into the 767.

Riverside

Don't forget to put all your expenses on the company credit card.

Boss Hoggin

Hey guys I hope I'm not walking into a "**** storm". I'm just asking for some help and advice for my interview scheduled next month. Yes I am aware of the pilot negotiations but coming to Atlas is much much better where I am currently working.


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Crusoe

Not what you were hoping for perhaps - but nevertheless- for your (& others) consideration. As told by a friend:

Imagine a hypothetical world where a nameless, faceless, hypothetical company was locked in a protracted labor battle with their largest hypothetical labor union and have been hypothetically engaging in a full court press of hypothetical workplace abuses, mindless delays, theoretical lawsuits and arbitration demands against said employees & blatant (albeit hypothetical) CBA violations despite a (rumored) ever increasing pilot shortage. Now imagine this hypothetical corporation had a hypothetical Achilles heel in the form of massive attrition which was in sharp contrast to their fantasy growth plans & that their only real saving grace that allows them to simultaneously continue daily operations and continue delaying any serious negotiations...was [drum roll...] attracting fresh bodies to fill the seats...hypothetically that is. As long as the hypothetical businessmen at said hypothetical company can keep all the theoretical metal moving they have little to no need, or desire, to bargain in good faith with this imaginary pilot union. Now further imagine if the hypothetical potential candidates hypothetically decided (organically & of their own volition) to no longer reward this (purely hypothetical) bad actor & instead only sought gainful employment at more “enlightened” companies? What would hypothetically happen? How would this hypothetical situation effect this theoretical time-line for the imaginary 1700+ that are locked in this fantastical battle with no end in sight? For the career/industry as a whole? For some added context - Imagine if this hypothetical company had (supposedly) been in business for >25 years and had only allowed their hypothetical pilots to actually vote on a contract only once in that entire quarter of a century. Do you suppose, hypothetically, that barring any significant leverage, these fantasy league businessmen would ever want to change this pattern of allegedly bad & intransigent behavior? And most importantly - isn’t it interesting how in this hypothetical scenario the group with the most power is actually the ones currently on the outside looking in, who can pick & choose where to offer their services, skills & labor ...hypothetically. The choice of short term (relative) pain/inconvenience vs long term gain is a hypothetical conundrum for the shortsighted (if even considered at all) but a pretty clear choice for those with a modicum of situational awareness and a little backbone (made considerably easier in a hot labor market). Hypothetically speaking of course.

Perhaps it’s all just a recurring fever dream, but there are interesting & important choices to be made. May you choose wisely for both yourself & your fellow trade unionists so that this career raises all boats. So to speak.

ps- Allegedly.

WhipWhitaker

Don't bother reading all that, well....maybe. Read some, read until you get that queasy feeling like you're not sure if you should pull the trigger. Then let that build a while while you mull over your options. That's what this place is. It's not the best, it's not the worst. And it actually has a happy medium if you live in or near a base and don't suck a big one at bidding. Upside potential is huge. And the guys here that you'll work with are generally a lot cooler than the trolls that come out in these forums. The dynamic for a single 25 year old is probably vastly different than a 46 year old with 6 kids and alimony, other stresses. View it through your own lens, maybe you'll like what you see.

DC8DRIVER

Of course the dynamic will be different. The only issue with inviting everyone to come on over and give Atlas a shot is that while these transients are passing through, the rest of us are stuck here (for whatever reason) waging war with the company while we try to hammer out a reasonable contract for ourselves.

Enticing a bunch of new guys to come on over and try Atlas on for size:
1. Shows little appreciation for and understanding of the value of what we do.
2. Shows little understanding of the constant contractual violations that Atlas perpetrates on the pilot group on a daily basis.
3. Shows no understanding of the current state of affairs between our union and Atlas regarding the advantage we should be able to hold during an industry hiring boom with a simultaneous pilot shortage.

The only thing that will bring Atlas to the negotiating table is when the planes stop flying and the only that will happen (short of a strike) is when they run out of pilots to staff them.

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WhipWhitaker

Dude, I'm here, I'm with you, I want a new contract. But you (older guys) need a serious reality check. We are NEVER running out of applicants, EVER. So I sure hope there is another plan.