Atlas Air Hiring
06-09-2017, 04:27 AM
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The average cost of a new CBA will be more on the order of $150k average per pilot!
06-09-2017, 07:56 AM
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: 744 Capt
Posts: 170
The number I threw out there was for illustrative purposes, to make the point that they can afford to not only pay us but give us a raise without changing anything in the way they manage the $ and without bankrupting the company. As far as $150k per pilot, worthy goal but keep dreaming, ain't gonna happen, that would be more than double current average pay per person and almost 300 mil additional spending. We can squawk all we want about what we are worth, and we ARE worth a lot, but the reality is that's a big number and they won't cough that up. Moreover I won't litigate it on a social media site with you, we have a negotiating committee that will make the magic happen for us and get us the best deal possible, which I hope is on the order of increase you suggest and I hope happens before I am hired somewhere else. If it doesn't, so be it. Regardless, an industry leading deal may not be enough to fix the damage they have done anyway. We continue to lose pilots daily and for those who stay the resentment/vitriol/ill will is going to linger for a long time...
06-09-2017, 08:12 AM
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: 747 FO
Posts: 26
As far as $150k per pilot, worthy goal but keep dreaming, ain't gonna happen, that would be more than double current average pay per person and almost 300 mil additional spending. We can squawk all we want about what we are worth, and we ARE worth a lot, but the reality is that's a big number and they won't cough that up.
It's attitudes like this that keep bottom feeder pilot groups paid at bottom feeder rates while their managements and shareholders make a killing. Every day I think pilots get smarter, I read another one of these statements.
06-09-2017, 08:25 AM
Whale whisperer
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: 744 Capt
Posts: 170
Nicely done, you illustrate your own point about pilot groups. No facts to refute anything, no points, no cogent argument, just a personal attack/attempted insult. You've won me over! Well done.
06-09-2017, 08:29 AM
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06-09-2017, 08:48 AM
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Position: 747 CA
Posts: 344
The hardest thing I think:
You have no intntl experience (like a regional pilot). You get the 767 and mostly just fly domestic hub turns. Then you upgrade to 747 Capt. So, you have no intntl, no 747 experience. You will probably only get 4 legs of OE, with possibly no Atlantic crossing legs, probably no legs in Africa or South Asia and/or China, and then you are Intntl 747 capt. Not an easy transition.
You have no intntl experience (like a regional pilot). You get the 767 and mostly just fly domestic hub turns. Then you upgrade to 747 Capt. So, you have no intntl, no 747 experience. You will probably only get 4 legs of OE, with possibly no Atlantic crossing legs, probably no legs in Africa or South Asia and/or China, and then you are Intntl 747 capt. Not an easy transition.
If you are a good pilot with a good attitude, you can be trained to do any type of flying. The problem is you don't get that training here.
SA has made some significant improvements and he deserves credit for that, but we have a long way to go...
06-09-2017, 02:23 PM
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Exactly. Not my job to manage AAWH. My job to is to fly the planes. Currently the going rate for that service is what they will have to pay me. Unreal we have so many guys worried about hurting the company and not their own career. Your math example forgets something. They can pass the costs on to customers or operate more efficiently to generate the cost of our raise. The businessmen can figure that part out.
06-09-2017, 03:46 PM
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Exactly. Not my job to manage AAWH. My job to is to fly the planes. Currently the going rate for that service is what they will have to pay me. Unreal we have so many guys worried about hurting the company and not their own career. Your math example forgets something. They can pass the costs on to customers or operate more efficiently to generate the cost of our raise. The businessmen can figure that part out.
So they pass on a price increase to the DOD, DHL, the MW, flying ( expect the Victoria secret stuff to Paris ) and Amazon, DHL, and whoever else we are sleeping with.
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