Mr Rumbold

Attitude is everything. The schoolhouse sets the tone - 767 is about teaching and instruction. 747 is about evaluation and checking (although it's getting better). The 767 is more regional - you'll find yourself in certain "buckets" of flying. Domestic cargo, a few spots in Asia, or AMC (domestic/Germany/Kuwait, mainly). For example, if you're in TPE, your pattern will typically stay intact. on the 747, your pattern can change every time you land. on the 747, i was typically out close to 17 days and was usually on the other side of the globe. on the 767, except for CA OE, i haven't been abroad since July, and do more like week on/week off (well, 8 or 9 on). On the 767, I also feel like a pilot again.

but again, the 747 is getting better. new CAs bring new attitudes, and the ship is slowly turning around in MIA.

more $$$ on the 747 side. i would've gotten a ton more PIC on the 747 had I waited. but for me, 767 is the right fit.[/QUOTE]

When you say the 767 side is teaching, etc and the 747 is evaluation.. Are you talking about in the training department? Or online as well?

Whale Driver

He means in the MIA TC. The training difference between the 2 programs is like night and day, they are not even remotely related. The 74 side is dominated by checking vs the 76 side being dominated by teaching.

captainv

Mostly training. And it's not oppressive on the 747 side - our bust rates are typical - it's just archaic and unnecessary. Training is trying to turn the ship but with the CBA fight going on, they won't get far. The move toward AQP stalled a couple of years ago, but we are moving to a LOFT scenario for the non-jeopardy check rides. (AQP lite?) So, progress, albeit glacial.

Out on line, the 767 has been a very open culture since day 1, both by design and necessity. The Fleet Manager specifically created a culture opposite to that of the 747-400 (and more like the 747-200 culture, i'm told). Plus, all the 767 captains were new to the jet and had to rely on the early FOs, many of whom were previously 767 CAs somewhere else. That broke down the walls pretty quickly.

I was only on the 747 briefly, but my enjoyment of any given trip more often than not was dependent on the CA's age. Younger guys were fine. Some old guys were fantastic. But some... Well, they had some interesting techniques and interesting ideas about CRM, or a lack thereof. Their numbers get smaller every year, though. Crazy growth solves a lot of those problems, and now the more prevalent concern will be dropping experience levels in both seats, on both fleets, but it's more pronounced on the 767.

Went through that at the regionals. It can be done if Training adapts and the pilot group buys in. We'll see how that all shakes out.

IfitsTuesday

For travel to training in Miami, do I pay for checked luggage? Or is there a provision of some sort for that?

captainv

Atlas pays for checked luggage, but since you don't have a company card yet, i'd try managing the reservation online before you go or calling the airline to make sure they have a card on file. Or call Travel.

HuggyU2

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/05/22/...ir-pilots.html

jackcarls0n

I was trying to take the online assessment, but there was some issue with the flash player on the browser. It asked me to reinstall flash and try again. But after I closed the browser and logged in again I am unable to take the test. I did email the HR. Are they good about resetting it? Or that was my only chance.

The first attempt says incomplete with a total time of 22 seconds.

dutch747

They're good about resetting. However a phone call to them might yield better results than e-mail.

Otiro

Hi all,

I'll be applying at Atlas soon, and hoped I could get some gouge from people taking it. Thanks in advance!

PS. I get what's going on, so no need to post or PM me any negative information. I get it.

WhipWhitaker

As many others have said, (very recently) all that you need to know is in these 1600+/- pages, it's still accurate. Happy hunting and good luck.