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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER (Post 2331522)

OK. You're right that we have different opinions about how to get there.

Those of us who have been burned by previous airlines and have few options for exiting this job tend to be more adamant about the situation at Atlas and want to see the change happen as soon as possible. IMHO, the best way to do this is to be adamant and blatant about the negatives here in order to apply pressure on the company. It may not seem like much of a strategy but it is what we have to fight this war with.

OTOH, pilots who are leaving Atlas seem to be less energized about the troubles here. Hopefully sooner or later we'll all end up in a better place than where we are now.

It's just that for some of us, it'll be much, much later.

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Understood. There's a lot of passion in our group, which is good, but just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

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Originally Posted by zerozero (Post 2331390)

While on probation a new hire can be terminated for any reason and there is no recourse.

After probation the termination process involves a formal hearing that includes the company and union, much like a trial.

Very true but the new hire is still under contract. So the company can fire that new hire as an at will employee BUT if you were following the contract they could be sued for it. If the arbitrator changes our contract then the company could just fire any new hire over refusing to cross. The rest of us would get Section 19s and likely just get a punishment of some sort.

I'm rooting for you guys as I'm sure most of the pilot group in the industry is. It's about time that we all get treated and paid more fairly for what the profession entails. The ball is in our court so I think it's just a matter of time before they realize they need you more than you need them.

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Originally Posted by tahoejace (Post 2331540)

Understood. There's a lot of passion in our group, which is good, but just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER (Post 2331522)

This post resonates.

I don't think any of us have any real options until we are actually sitting in the seat of that next airline. That being said, I hope Atlas stays afloat long enough for me to get to that next seat as I would think anyone would.

The guys that are leaving that are not as energized about this movement is because in their minds, they have already left or they were never here. But those are few and far between.

Like Tahoe said, I think there is a lot of passion out there and I think our message is being sent. I don't think management reads these forums and if they do, I don't think they care....obviously. But, I think we are out of our league in my opinion. The company always seems to get what they want. Just ask the Polar or Atlas guys when they were stand alone, or even you 8! I am sure you have seem companies GUT airlines just to line their pockets. (66 mil)

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Originally Posted by Cylinderpop (Post 2331617)

...... The ball is in our court so I think it's just a matter of time before they realize they need you more than you need them.

NOT according to them! They deny the pilot shortage at every opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Davetastic (Post 2331631)

NOT according to them! They deny the pilot shortage at every opportunity.

Allegedly Dietrich acknowledged the attrition problem at the check airman meeting. I know that we've got some sim guys on here... Can we get a verification on that? Of course, even if he did say it his actions don't match his words.

Nine (9) Atlas pilots started class at UPS on Mar. 27. Are similar numbers getting hired at other airlines?

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Originally Posted by Omnipotent (Post 2331661)

Nine (9) Atlas pilots started class at UPS on Mar. 27. Are similar numbers getting hired at other airlines?

I think he's asking for verification about the Check Airman meeting. Either way, circumstance may force Atlas to get to the table!

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Originally Posted by Davetastic (Post 2331630)

I don't think management reads these forums and if they do, I don't think they care....obviously.

Sure they do. Your reading it, management and you, are one in the same.

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Originally Posted by Davetastic (Post 2331630)

I don't think management reads these forums and if they do, I don't think they care....obviously. (66 mil)

I don't remember if it was in my new hire class, or during my interview that a management person said they followed the online banter. This was over a year ago....