Atlas Air Hiring
01-15-2017, 01:59 AM
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01-15-2017, 06:44 AM
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Thanks for the quick reply Pave. I'll appreciate if someone can shed some info about the QOL on the 76 side and how does it compares to the 74. I know that the 74 is mostly doing long haul trips and the 76 is mostly used for night DHL domestic ops. However it would be great if someone can share their schedule on the 76. Is it mostly on a 17 on/13 off schedule? How's reserve life? Is it better to live in base vs commuting? Thanks all!
Sharing a schedule would be pointless. Varies too much. Lately 60-day lines (multiple pairings) seem to be more numerous than 17-day lines on a 30-day bid.
Reserve is either hotel reserve or airport hot standby. I flew 18 hours last month on reserve. YMMV.
Living in CVG would mean more time at home, or sitting reserve at home. Is that better than commuting? Only you can answer that.
01-15-2017, 01:32 PM
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Living in base would be great for QOL on the 767 because your Reserve would actually leave you at home. Pay sucks so when you hear us say $50K first year, it won't be much better than that 2nd year. It's still 17 days a month IF the company wants you that many. You either do long haul out of Japan or DHL short hops state side. Both are easy to hold from what I understand. The AMC stuff goes senior out of JFK. I'd find a way to live in base because if you sit Reserve all of those hotels will be imputed.
Correct me if I'm wrong (FNG here so I probably don't know what I'm talking about), but if the company has to provide lodging to everyone shouldn't it not be imputed? My understanding is imputed income happens because one pilot (who does not live in base) gets a benefit (gateway/hotel) that another pilot (who does live in base) does not get.
I'm scheduled to sit R2 later this month so I have more than a passing interest in this...
01-15-2017, 02:50 PM
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Section 31 says the company will provide lodging if the designated R2 location is the crewmember's base (or any other location that isn't the crewmember's base).
Correct me if I'm wrong (FNG here so I probably don't know what I'm talking about), but if the company has to provide lodging to everyone shouldn't it not be imputed? My understanding is imputed income happens because one pilot (who does not live in base) gets a benefit (gateway/hotel) that another pilot (who does live in base) does not get.
I'm scheduled to sit R2 later this month so I have more than a passing interest in this...
Correct me if I'm wrong (FNG here so I probably don't know what I'm talking about), but if the company has to provide lodging to everyone shouldn't it not be imputed? My understanding is imputed income happens because one pilot (who does not live in base) gets a benefit (gateway/hotel) that another pilot (who does live in base) does not get.
I'm scheduled to sit R2 later this month so I have more than a passing interest in this...
01-15-2017, 06:17 PM
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It's imputed because the company claims that your base is your "Place of Business"...where all of your trips start and end. Actually, for some bases, your base is your workplace, but for other bases, like JFK, your Gateway or your home is your workplace...where your trips start and end. The company doesn't want to try and figure out which bases are actually where trips start and end, and which aren't.
We have the cost of commuting imputed because we are the ONLY aviation organization that has pilot Bases AND Gateways.
At DAL, your base is where your trips start and end.They don't pay for the commute, so there's no imputed income. For companies like Kalitta, which are home based, your trips start and end at home. Since Atlas has Bases, AND they Gateway you to/from your base (part of the time), it is a company paid benefit that they pay for you to travel (commute) to your workplace...your base. It is like when a company lets the mgmt and/or family use the bizjet for vacation...the cost of the trip is (supposed to be) imputed as income.
We have the cost of commuting imputed because we are the ONLY aviation organization that has pilot Bases AND Gateways.
At DAL, your base is where your trips start and end.They don't pay for the commute, so there's no imputed income. For companies like Kalitta, which are home based, your trips start and end at home. Since Atlas has Bases, AND they Gateway you to/from your base (part of the time), it is a company paid benefit that they pay for you to travel (commute) to your workplace...your base. It is like when a company lets the mgmt and/or family use the bizjet for vacation...the cost of the trip is (supposed to be) imputed as income.
01-15-2017, 07:05 PM
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Position: 767 FO
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Except that many of us HAVE BEEN IMPUTED, including me. I got hit for a two week R2/R3 period in CVG (entire hotel bill) and so did some of my classmates. And the word "imputed" is no where to be found in the CBA.
01-15-2017, 10:15 PM
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I have never heard of this "agreement" others speak of. Do us all a favor and contact the union and let us know what they know of the agreement and ask about contesting the imputation. Thanks.
01-15-2017, 10:40 PM
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Per KC in payroll: R2 is not taxable. The company says it's not taxable even though the company documents say that it is. Gotta love atlas.
Oh and taxable travel and taxable hotels is not mentioned in the cba, so the next time someone says "guys, read your cba!" and they are referencing imputed income tell them to read the cba.
Oh and taxable travel and taxable hotels is not mentioned in the cba, so the next time someone says "guys, read your cba!" and they are referencing imputed income tell them to read the cba.
01-16-2017, 06:45 AM
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Per KC in payroll: R2 is not taxable. The company says it's not taxable even though the company documents say that it is. Gotta love atlas.
Oh and taxable travel and taxable hotels is not mentioned in the cba, so the next time someone says "guys, read your cba!" and they are referencing imputed income tell them to read the cba.
Oh and taxable travel and taxable hotels is not mentioned in the cba, so the next time someone says "guys, read your cba!" and they are referencing imputed income tell them to read the cba.
The reference to the CBA, involves diving into the weeds of IRS tax code and what is considered a business expense to the company based on what they require from us...like sitting "hotel reserve" (Way over my head...was explained to me by exco) The company posted their interpretation of general IRS guidance that existed before the CBA existed.
I posted with regard to this issue previously. Not sure why some are still defending the contrary when this information is here to help each other. If you were taxed incorrectly, contact the company to fix it. If no love, contact the union.
Also, I think someone might have mentioned already,..another way to dodge the imputed travel, for example:
Say you are headed to ANC. You take commercial to CVG and jumpseat company to ANC.
Ultimately though...WE NEED a better contact.
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