Atlas Air Hiring
02-19-2016, 08:20 PM
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BK did say in the last union call in that it is possible for our contract to get worse in an amalgamation.
Realistically I don't think we'll get worse. I think their goal is to get everyone riled up and scared and use the amalgamation threat to get us to accept a marginally better contract vs fighting for a lot better.
Realistically I don't think we'll get worse. I think their goal is to get everyone riled up and scared and use the amalgamation threat to get us to accept a marginally better contract vs fighting for a lot better.
I do recognize a very real possibility of things deteriorating. I DO think we will see the company try and come after us to work more days. I've heard they want 19 a month because "our office staff works 19 a month..." But that's just a rumor.
I haven't been here very long but it's very obvious to me that our union gets bent out of shape and worked up very easy. They do this intentionally to rile us up and I don't think it's productive or helpful.
02-19-2016, 08:22 PM
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If you're not angry right now, you're not paying attention.
The first step in the process is "Should I work for Atlas?" And right now, Atlas management is actively trying to slash our pay in times of record profits. It would be very unfair to keep a new hire in the dark about this.
The first step in the process is "Should I work for Atlas?" And right now, Atlas management is actively trying to slash our pay in times of record profits. It would be very unfair to keep a new hire in the dark about this.
And before you roast new hires for coming here and causing you inconveniences in your career, don't forget that you were a newhire once too....
02-19-2016, 08:46 PM
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Sorry NightIP, but that is literally conjecture. I am not arguing that they may very well try this, but until you have heard someone from management say they want us to take paycuts, you really don't know what they are going to do. That's not to say there isn't a good likelihood, but you can't make blanket statements based on pure speculation like that and expect people to take your post seriously.
Just curious - what do you think that means?
02-19-2016, 09:11 PM
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Look, I agree with NightIP here...
If you (the ones already at Atlas, and others trying to get to Atlas, and those waiting for class or class dates) have not realized implication(s) when they announced the SAI acquisition and the very real threat of the amalgamation of our two (crappy) CBAs, you really need to do some homework here.
This is not some scare tactic...it is not posturing for the negotiations...this is actually their negotiating position. This is real, folks...not being a drama queen here. This is real.
Now, where does that leave me, you, and the others...
Me -- long-timer that has invested a lot of myself here (due to many reasons, and 9/11 complicated it, and all of a sudden, I'm too old to go anywhere)...don't feel sorry for me, I'll be fine!! And so will the others in my age and seniority group.
You -- younger guys that are already here -- guys are bailing out at a faster rate than they were just a month ago. Guys that had told me (even those in their late 40s) they wanted to stay and make this work, are now applying to all the majors. Does that say anything? (Hint -- it should say volumes, and some of them are damn close to or are already Captains here)
You -- waiting for a class or class date -- glad you made the cut, and congratulations. Look, you'll have some adjusting to do if you're coming from the Regionals -- this is unlike anything you know. Fine, so you can do that...but just after you get checked out, you'll have to live with the uncertainty of our negotiations, merger, seniority, etc etc...and of course, life at Atlas is never boring -- constantly watching over your shoulder to ensure the company is not trying to pull a fast one, etc. Welcome aboard, and I'll absolutely do what I can to help you and we'll have a good time on layovers!!
You -- those trying to figure out whether to take the plunge and come to Atlas or not. Atlas has a good future, but only if management decides it is. They are hell-bent on union-busting, 80s-style (and Lorenzo) tactics, with thugs for an outside law firm they have hired...they are indeed experts at what they do. However, their tactics are fairly well known in the industry and our Union is up to the task.
Look guys, please don't bury your head in the sand...take what's here to heart because the proverbial **it is about to hit the fan. If you're not cut out for it, or can't support the union and the pilot group's efforts, or you just don't want the uncertainty, you really need to reconsider if Atlas is right for you.
Yeah, it gets old reading a thread on hiring and all they talk about is this crap...but this is going to be a huge part of your life if you come to Atlas. We are all adults and can handle a few old guys like me ranting about their lot in life. I'm not bitter about this...if anything, I'm trying to get you to understand what you're info if you come here.
Good luck.
If you (the ones already at Atlas, and others trying to get to Atlas, and those waiting for class or class dates) have not realized implication(s) when they announced the SAI acquisition and the very real threat of the amalgamation of our two (crappy) CBAs, you really need to do some homework here.
This is not some scare tactic...it is not posturing for the negotiations...this is actually their negotiating position. This is real, folks...not being a drama queen here. This is real.
Now, where does that leave me, you, and the others...
Me -- long-timer that has invested a lot of myself here (due to many reasons, and 9/11 complicated it, and all of a sudden, I'm too old to go anywhere)...don't feel sorry for me, I'll be fine!! And so will the others in my age and seniority group.
You -- younger guys that are already here -- guys are bailing out at a faster rate than they were just a month ago. Guys that had told me (even those in their late 40s) they wanted to stay and make this work, are now applying to all the majors. Does that say anything? (Hint -- it should say volumes, and some of them are damn close to or are already Captains here)
You -- waiting for a class or class date -- glad you made the cut, and congratulations. Look, you'll have some adjusting to do if you're coming from the Regionals -- this is unlike anything you know. Fine, so you can do that...but just after you get checked out, you'll have to live with the uncertainty of our negotiations, merger, seniority, etc etc...and of course, life at Atlas is never boring -- constantly watching over your shoulder to ensure the company is not trying to pull a fast one, etc. Welcome aboard, and I'll absolutely do what I can to help you and we'll have a good time on layovers!!
You -- those trying to figure out whether to take the plunge and come to Atlas or not. Atlas has a good future, but only if management decides it is. They are hell-bent on union-busting, 80s-style (and Lorenzo) tactics, with thugs for an outside law firm they have hired...they are indeed experts at what they do. However, their tactics are fairly well known in the industry and our Union is up to the task.
Look guys, please don't bury your head in the sand...take what's here to heart because the proverbial **it is about to hit the fan. If you're not cut out for it, or can't support the union and the pilot group's efforts, or you just don't want the uncertainty, you really need to reconsider if Atlas is right for you.
Yeah, it gets old reading a thread on hiring and all they talk about is this crap...but this is going to be a huge part of your life if you come to Atlas. We are all adults and can handle a few old guys like me ranting about their lot in life. I'm not bitter about this...if anything, I'm trying to get you to understand what you're info if you come here.
Good luck.
02-19-2016, 09:51 PM
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02-20-2016, 04:14 AM
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The company can "want" anything. Anything less than a status qou contract has huge implications in the entire operation. I highly doubt given the current climate of our proffession Mgmt would play a game of Russian Roulette.
I've personally seen when pilots band together. The operation grinds to a slow halt, performance suffers, stock prices sink, and share holders get ****ed.
Take a look back most recently with the AA pilots and the deplorable ontime perfomance. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/travel/airlines-on-time-performance/
If mgmt wants to play games- let them, it's what they are good at. Band together and be strong. Every group goes through it the Atlas Group is no different, your not special. Stand up and fight.
I've personally seen when pilots band together. The operation grinds to a slow halt, performance suffers, stock prices sink, and share holders get ****ed.
Take a look back most recently with the AA pilots and the deplorable ontime perfomance. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/travel/airlines-on-time-performance/
If mgmt wants to play games- let them, it's what they are good at. Band together and be strong. Every group goes through it the Atlas Group is no different, your not special. Stand up and fight.
02-20-2016, 05:29 AM
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This battle is going to be won by following the rules to the letter and doing our jobs. Safe taxi speeds, safe de-ice practices, good judgment with use of the parking brake (there's no need to ever block out early) always something more to review, brief; or, some hazmat to visually inspect, good judgment with the use of the APU, never compromising when it comes to your blood sugar and catering needs, using the fatigue risk management program (never compromising safety for profitability), never doing travels (confirming and or calling for transportation) job for them, never doing scheduling's job for them, never doing ANYONE'S job for them, we are not trained in these areas, it's distracts us from our areas of operation and is unsafe. Atlas has very poor organizational structure from middle management down and is and has always been set up to fail. It's only because of the out of the box creative, forward thinking of the flight crews that Atlas is even in business right now, yet alone making record profits and growing into the biggest ACMI on the planet. Well, Purchase has sent a strong signal that they do not recognize the fact that we've been carrying this airline on our backs for decades and it's time to take the weight off our backs. Stop being creative, forward thinking, just be a dumb robot that does what your manuals tell you to do. Carry flight plan fuel, if you have to divert, divert. Don't creatively try and find an outside of the box way to accomplish the mission, it's not your job. When something's broke, write it up (who cares if it's an outstation and they don't have the light bulb) again, not your job. If you don't have cba required catering, don't move the jet (meal vouchers are for losers) and the list goes on. Let purchase see what it's like to have the outside of the box, abstract problem solving component of their crews taken out of the picture, let them feel the pain. Remember, JD and BF have publicly stated that they want to amalgamate our two POS contracts, they haven't once said they're looking forward to amalgamating their executive Atlas compensation with Southern's execs... STOP THE HYPOCRACY! be professional, do your jobs, leave nothing unturned.
02-20-2016, 05:42 AM
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This battle is going to be won by following the rules to the letter and doing our jobs. Safe taxi speeds, safe de-ice practices, good judgment with use of the parking brake (there's no need to ever block out early) always something more to review, brief; or, some hazmat to visually inspect, good judgment with the use of the APU, never compromising when it comes to your blood sugar and catering needs, using the fatigue risk management program (never compromising safety for profitability), never doing travels (confirming and or calling for transportation) job for them, never doing scheduling's job for them, never doing ANYONE'S job for them, we are not trained in these areas, it's distracts us from our areas of operation and is unsafe. Atlas has very poor organizational structure from middle management down and is and has always been set up to fail. It's only because of the out of the box creative, forward thinking of the flight crews that Atlas is even in business right now, yet alone making record profits and growing into the biggest ACMI on the planet. Well, Purchase has sent a strong signal that they do not recognize the fact that we've been carrying this airline on our backs for decades and it's time to take the weight off our backs. Stop being creative, forward thinking, just be a dumb robot that does what your manuals tell you to do. Carry flight plan fuel, if you have to divert, divert. Don't creatively try and find an outside of the box way to accomplish the mission, it's not your job. When something's broke, write it up (who cares if it's an outstation and they don't have the light bulb) again, not your job. If you don't have cba required catering, don't move the jet (meal vouchers are for losers) and the list goes on. Let purchase see what it's like to have the outside of the box, abstract problem solving component of their crews taken out of the picture, let them feel the pain. Remember, JD and BF have publicly stated that they want to amalgamate our two POS contracts, they haven't once said they're looking forward to amalgamating their executive Atlas compensation with Southern's execs... STOP THE HYPOCRACY! be professional, do your jobs, leave nothing unturned.
02-20-2016, 07:25 AM
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This battle is going to be won by following the rules to the letter and doing our jobs. Safe taxi speeds, safe de-ice practices, good judgment with use of the parking brake (there's no need to ever block out early) always something more to review, brief; or, some hazmat to visually inspect, good judgment with the use of the APU, never compromising when it comes to your blood sugar and catering needs, using the fatigue risk management program (never compromising safety for profitability), never doing travels (confirming and or calling for transportation) job for them, never doing scheduling's job for them, never doing ANYONE'S job for them, we are not trained in these areas, it's distracts us from our areas of operation and is unsafe. Atlas has very poor organizational structure from middle management down and is and has always been set up to fail. It's only because of the out of the box creative, forward thinking of the flight crews that Atlas is even in business right now, yet alone making record profits and growing into the biggest ACMI on the planet. Well, Purchase has sent a strong signal that they do not recognize the fact that we've been carrying this airline on our backs for decades and it's time to take the weight off our backs. Stop being creative, forward thinking, just be a dumb robot that does what your manuals tell you to do. Carry flight plan fuel, if you have to divert, divert. Don't creatively try and find an outside of the box way to accomplish the mission, it's not your job. When something's broke, write it up (who cares if it's an outstation and they don't have the light bulb) again, not your job. If you don't have cba required catering, don't move the jet (meal vouchers are for losers) and the list goes on. Let purchase see what it's like to have the outside of the box, abstract problem solving component of their crews taken out of the picture, let them feel the pain. Remember, JD and BF have publicly stated that they want to amalgamate our two POS contracts, they haven't once said they're looking forward to amalgamating their executive Atlas compensation with Southern's execs... STOP THE HYPOCRACY! be professional, do your jobs, leave nothing unturned.
02-20-2016, 07:52 AM
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This battle is going to be won by following the rules to the letter and doing our jobs. Safe taxi speeds, safe de-ice practices, good judgment with use of the parking brake (there's no need to ever block out early) always something more to review, brief; or, some hazmat to visually inspect, good judgment with the use of the APU, never compromising when it comes to your blood sugar and catering needs, using the fatigue risk management program (never compromising safety for profitability), never doing travels (confirming and or calling for transportation) job for them, never doing scheduling's job for them, never doing ANYONE'S job for them, we are not trained in these areas, it's distracts us from our areas of operation and is unsafe. Atlas has very poor organizational structure from middle management down and is and has always been set up to fail. It's only because of the out of the box creative, forward thinking of the flight crews that Atlas is even in business right now, yet alone making record profits and growing into the biggest ACMI on the planet. Well, Purchase has sent a strong signal that they do not recognize the fact that we've been carrying this airline on our backs for decades and it's time to take the weight off our backs. Stop being creative, forward thinking, just be a dumb robot that does what your manuals tell you to do. Carry flight plan fuel, if you have to divert, divert. Don't creatively try and find an outside of the box way to accomplish the mission, it's not your job. When something's broke, write it up (who cares if it's an outstation and they don't have the light bulb) again, not your job. If you don't have cba required catering, don't move the jet (meal vouchers are for losers) and the list goes on. Let purchase see what it's like to have the outside of the box, abstract problem solving component of their crews taken out of the picture, let them feel the pain. Remember, JD and BF have publicly stated that they want to amalgamate our two POS contracts, they haven't once said they're looking forward to amalgamating their executive Atlas compensation with Southern's execs... STOP THE HYPOCRACY! be professional, do your jobs, leave nothing unturned.
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